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Ed and Stefano Unleashed: The Big Premiere!
Welcome to the premiere episode of Ed and Stefano Unleashed! 🚀
Your favorite homelab creators, Ed ‪@SpaceinvaderOne‬ and Stefano ‪@SPXLabs‬ are diving deep into the world of Unraid, self-hosting, AI, GPUs, gaming, and more—with unfiltered takes and plenty of laughs along the way.
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Chapters
00:00 Introducing the Ed and Stefano Unleashed Show
02:59 The Journey into Unraid and Home Labs
05:49 The Evolution of Computing: From Windows to Linux
08:54 Graphics Card Launches and Market Trends
11:49 The Future of Quantum Computing
24:09 Innovations in Payment Systems and Technology
27:05 Exploring Home Lab Setups and Projects
31:53 Exploring Old Tech and Unraid's Performance
36:19 Unraid Roadmap and Intel GPUs
41:11 Gaming Laptops vs. Apple Silicon
43:59 Hard Drive Shopping and Counterfeit Concerns
49:46 The Rise of Counterfeit USB Drives
56:19 Testing Flash Drives and Community Engagement
01:03:03 The Quest for the Perfect USB Hub
01:04:30 Container Showdown: Plex vs. Jellyfin
01:12:39 The Rise of AI: Opportunities and Concerns
01:26:32 Confessions of Self-Hosting: The Dumbest Setups
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Speaker 2:Unleashed, unleashed, unleashed. Welcome to Okay, everyone, step right up. All of you across the internet humans, cyborgs, ais, geeks, tinkerers, sysadmins and lovers of everything self-hosted. The moment has arrived. Welcome to Ed and Stefanoano. Unleashed. Hello, stefano.
Speaker 1:How are you doing? I really like that intro.
Speaker 2:I've that's the first time I've heard it, just so everybody knows yeah, I was thinking about that this morning and I thought, yeah, let's do a kind of like a showmaster intro, you know sounding like the old fashioned circus people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like it, that's great.
Speaker 2:I thought that'd be pretty cool. So yeah, for everyone watching. This is a new show that Stefano and I are going to be doing every month. Yeah, Yep. And, you know, should we tell them how we came up with the name Stefano?
Speaker 1:Sure, yeah. So I was kind of we were talking amongst each other and like exchanging ideas and I was kind of joking around saying that you know you need to keep Ed on a tight leash because he plays. He's a bit. He's known as a jokester. I'm sure you guys have seen all his videos. He jokes around way too much Way. He's not serious at all. And so I was saying you need to keep him on a tight leash.
Speaker 2:Then I came back to that and said, no, I want to be unleashed. And then suddenly I thought there's an Unraid license called Unleashed. I thought, wow, that's just marketing genius. Yeah, so we're stuck with that name now. Sorry about that, Stefano.
Speaker 1:No, I think it's perfect. Sometimes the world just writes its own script and you just got to follow along with it.
Speaker 2:So it's perfect. So anyway, um, the first episode we're doing is going to be pre-recorded, but we are planning on switching to live, where we want you guys out there to, um, basically join in with the show, and you know you better join in with chats and super chats, that kind of thing. So you know, we really hope you guys become a part of the show and it becomes a pretty cool kind of chill out, techie, self-hosting, unraid place to hang out.
Speaker 1:We can all laugh together, cry together, bleed together.
Speaker 2:Yep, and you guys can rib both me and Stefano over our kind of stupid mistakes. We'll probably make our bad setups on our service and all our kind of stupid mistakes. We'll probably make you know our bad setups on our service and all that kind of thing. But audience participation is the key. You know, we really, really want to encourage you guys to join in. The shows are going to be the first Saturday of every month yes and we are planning the next show to be live.
Speaker 2:We weren't going to let you guys kind of join in quite yet because you know I'm scared my microphone will cut off or something. So this is our kind of dry run, so it will be really fun to have you guys join in. So, anyway, for people who may be watching this, who have never seen any Unraid videos before, they haven't seen MySpace and Veda1 channel, they haven't seen Stefano's channel, do you think we should say who we are, stefano?
Speaker 1:Yeah, may as well, just in case.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'll let you go first.
Speaker 1:Right, so my name is Stefano Partita. I'm from SPX Labs. I've been making Homelab content for about 10 years in total. Actually, I just hit my 10-year anniversary last year.
Speaker 2:Oh, congratulations man.
Speaker 1:Thank you, thank you. And so for a long time I've been using Unraid. I'm pretty familiar with Unraid, I've got like three Unraid servers, and so I've just been a part of the community for a long time. And it's good to kind of now be a part of unraid itself and create content for unraid. Uh, versus, you know on my own channel and yeah, it's pretty cool. And, ed, you have a similar story right yeah, similar story.
Speaker 2:I actually started using unraid in about 2012. Yeah, um, there's a swap over for a buffalo link station. That kind of went a bit horribly wrong. Quite honest, I didn't use it for very long about six months and then I kind of drifted into kind of like USB hard drives, storing it on various workstations here, there and everywhere. But then I kind of got interested in Unraid again when Docker and VMs hit the scene in Unraid 6. I looked at it then and there was just no turning back. It was. It kind of brought back the fun from.
Speaker 2:You know, I'm a bit older than you, stefano, but my first computers were kind of things like Commodore 64, atari, amiga and things like that, and those days were so fun. And Unraid has kind of brought back those same feelings. Like as soon as I started, you know, using VMs and stuff. It was like that and those days were so fun. And unraid has kind of brought back those same feelings, like as soon as I started, you know, using vms and stuff. It was like that same excitement that I used to have as a child using computers and, um, that's one of the reasons I love unraid is, you know, it's more than just an operating system. It's kind of I don't know it's just easy.
Speaker 1:It's just it's so simple. Yeah, I mean like because, like it was funny, I was at the point at a crossroads forever ago and I was like really upset with how windows was handling their updates which it's partially my fault because I was so new to servers and I was still learning and stuff but I felt like every time there was an update, something would break and I was just getting so sick. But I felt like every time there was an update, something would break and I was just getting so sick of it.
Speaker 2:And I had finally gotten to the point where I was like that's the same today, isn't it with Windows?
Speaker 1:It feels like it. It certainly does, but I don't use Windows servers to any capacity to actually know how that works out right. And so I wanted to switch to Linux, but I didn't know anything about bash or like shell, I didn't know like how to script or any of that stuff. So I was like terrified, and I was especially terrified of the command line, because I had grown up using the, you know the, the ui on windows. But you know, and I, I want to say I started off looking at Debian or Ubuntu or maybe both, and then, right along that time, I had saw Unraid and it was like around 2012 as well, and actually I think for me it would have been 2014, somewhere around there, it doesn't matter and I was like, wow, this is like way more simple and it does exactly what I need. And oh wait, hey, lifetime license. Yeah, Sign me up.
Speaker 2:So do you actually use like a Linux desktop operating system at all in your home lab currently?
Speaker 1:Technically, no. So because I use a Mac or Apple products, I guess, for anything serious related products, I guess for anything serious related. Um well, I'm on windows right now streaming, but I use my mac for interfacing between my linux operating systems as well as my windows world, I guess, but no, I don't, I don't use like a linux workstation so you know.
Speaker 2:So you're an apple guy. I hope you haven't spent a thousand dollars on an apple monitor stand of you stuff. No, you haven't done that yet no, that's good. Just, there is hope for you then, yeah, no, I must say I'm using a mac laptop myself now.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah and um, it's just, it's nice because, like, everything's integrated that I need, like I don't have to go well. So I guess linux for subsystem is now included with Windows, but it used to not be that way and now it's too late. I've learned the Mac ecosystem. I've been with it for so long now that you know I don't Like SSH is just there and a lot of the Linux command tools are just there. And if you need additional stuff, you know you can use Sublime or Wget. Take Wget everything or whatever you know can use sublime or wget take wget everything or whatever you know.
Speaker 2:install whatever you need have you, um, have you heard of that? Um, I can't remember what the operating system's called. It's another arm operating system, linux distro, that is currently running on some apple silicon. I don't believe it runs on my m3 mac I. As we are not live, I'm going to quickly have a look okay, no, I haven't heard of anything like that. I'd love to. Um, I don't even need to look, I can remember it's called a shanty, linux a shanty. Um. Let me double check that yeah, now I'm down.
Speaker 1:You've piqued my curiosity, sir. I think I typed it in wrong because. I'm looking at a person.
Speaker 2:Well, it's because I've pronounced it completely wrong. It's Asashi Linux.
Speaker 1:Oh Asashi.
Speaker 2:A-H-I. Yeah, I haven't tried it out yet. I know a couple of people who have, but I haven't actually got to tried it out yet. I know a couple of people who have, but I haven't actually got to try it out yet because I don't believe it works on M3 CPUs fully. I was very tempted to buy an old M1 Mac Mini just to try it out.
Speaker 1:That looks pretty cool, I think. For me, I probably would just avoid it for now, just because my Mac is my bread and butter. Right, I need it to work. I need that always. On driver support that Apple provides I can't remember the last time I actually had to tinker with drivers on Mac, because generally everything it just works right, except when it doesn't. I need that stability.
Speaker 1:Mac's magic when it works, but it's like the devil when it doesn't but you know, max, I need that stability, max magic when it works, but it's like the devil when it doesn't. You know, yeah, yeah, but thankfully it. It's very stable, like 99% of the time, at least for me. I don't really tinker with the operating system too much, I just use it as more of a terminal to touch other things or like use web apps.
Speaker 2:So yeah, are you on an apple laptop or desktop or?
Speaker 1:um, I actually just switched to an apple mac mini, so I have the new m4 mini and, oh my gosh, it's like it. It's not crazy expensive, it's ridiculously powerful. It's got a 10 gig on board option and I love it so they're very reasonable price.
Speaker 2:The mac mini's, you know it's like quite amazing you can get them for that kind of price. And you know, um, yeah, you know, especially when you compare them I was going to talk about a bit later on. You know, especially when you compare it to nvidia, gpus, stefano, what the hell is going on with the um 5080 launch.
Speaker 1:You know it's yeah, man, everything's just gotten so expensive. I mean, and I remember, like I feel like when I was a kid I remember grass cards being about 350 dollars I was like this is so this is unaffordable. Like who can buy this stuff? It's so expensive. And now it's like a thousand dollars for a 5080. That was probably six to seven hundred dollars, you know, in 2010, 2014, ish, yeah it's just, yeah, it's been the same old story, you know, um.
Speaker 2:You know, let's be honest, you know no one could actually buy one. I thought I'm gonna buy a 5080. I'm gonna test it out with pass-through. It'll make a great video and as soon as it was released in the uk, I was there kind of refreshing patient. I thought I've got one, it's in the basket. I paid, brilliant, and it said, like you know, do you want two-day shipping?
Speaker 2:I thought hell yeah yeah I'll have it by tuesday, whatever it was like. I thought, yeah, great, so um, but you didn't you didn't get yours right, is that you?
Speaker 1:oh, no, no, didn't you have trouble?
Speaker 2:didn't get it. So it came to tuesday, the day it was meant to be delivered. And um, I said to vanessa I'm so excited. You know, um, if you hear the doorbell ringing, make sure you answer it, in case I don't hear. You know, I don't them leaving like a 50, 80 on the on the doorstep.
Speaker 1:You know a porch, you're standing in the window just looking through the blinds all day.
Speaker 2:And yeah, I'm thinking it's not coming. So I go on to the computer, look through the email. I'm not going to say the company I bought it from, but I wasn't very happy with them. And I had an email and it said you are number 134 in the queue. Your expected delivery date is April something.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, I thought you bloody Beep, beep, beep beep beep I got you Straight away.
Speaker 2:I got a refund. I thought I'll wait for the 5070.
Speaker 1:Ti.
Speaker 2:I'm not a real heavy gamer like you. You know a 5070 Ti would have been great for me. I've got a 3080 now and I think it's the 10 gig one I've got and it looks like the 5070 Ti is the better buy anyway over the 5080.
Speaker 1:At least if I'm remembering correctly. I haven't really kept up with it too too much, because the 5000 series has just been a terrible launch. So I was like I don't know, there's no chance I'm going to upgrade because I have a 4000 series Right, so it would be ridiculous to upgrade.
Speaker 2:Well then I went on to the 5070 Ti and I had that sort of part of graphics card launches, my favorite 0.2 seconds worth of launches where you have. You have it in your cart for it disappear when you click, click, pay.
Speaker 1:You know, that was nice for you know half a second, but yeah that's been my experience so far with um trying to buy a graphics card yeah, I, I, when I was trying to get the 4000 series because we had a similar issue when that came out, I was telling my friends was like, hey, if anybody can grab a founder Edition, buy it and I'll pay you back. But no matter where you went, they would sell out so fast because of bots or whatever. And I remember I finally got to the point where I had the ability to add one to a cart, add it to my cart, and then, for whatever reason, I got signed out because I was sitting there refreshing so much or something I'm not sure. So I added to my cart and went to hit checkout and it was like, oh, you need to sign in. And I was like no, no, and by the time I got signed back in and whatever, it was sold out.
Speaker 1:I was so disappointed. So I ended up going with Gigabyte, which is a brand I've owned once before, and it was fine, like I didn't have any problems. But typically I wouldn't buy gigabyte graphics cards, but it's been fine. I did break it that one time, but I don't know if that was their fault or mine.
Speaker 2:I'm going to blame them. It must have been their fault, Stefano. Of course it's their fault.
Speaker 1:I've never broken a fan, ever in my entire life. 20 years of tinkering with pcs, never broken a single component. And somehow a fan blade.
Speaker 2:A fan blade breaks wow, those things are not easy to break. No, no, yeah, I think, um, I'm not sure if I'm right, you probably know more than I, but um, with the 5070 ti, there wasn't. They didn't make a Founders Edition with that one, did they? I?
Speaker 1:don't think so, not yet.
Speaker 2:No, I really like the Founders Edition. How they look. I always think they look nicer.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you said fanless, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:No Founders, yeah, Founders, it's my UK accent. Sorry about that, stefano.
Speaker 1:No k accent. Sorry about that, stephanie. Um, you know, no, uh, I don't think they did. I think they only made the. I don't even know if they made a 5080 actually, did they no?
Speaker 2:they had to have. I think they had a. I think they had a founders 5080 but not a 5070 ti. I don't know yeah, no, you're.
Speaker 1:You're definitely right about that. You're definitely right about that, they do. They do have a Founders Edition 5080. Okay, but it's only got 16 gigs of RAM.
Speaker 2:Right. I'm really hoping that in a few months' time that there'll be a bit more stock available and people will start buying the 5080s. But I kind of you know, I don't know call me cynical, but I think NVIDIA deliberately make a shortage. You know it enriches them a little bit more. There's an old saying in the UK I don't know if you have it in the USA there isn't a dishonest move in chess, thanks which obviously they're going to try and make as much money as they can. So I want the hype to die down. Then I'll try and get a 4080, think you know, when people are selling them, when there's more 5080 and stuff and I'll get a 4080, that's yeah, that's probably a good call and I, you know, honestly, I don't really know it.
Speaker 1:the it's definitely a paper launch and I wonder if they're just holding on to as much silicon as possible for their enterprise, um, equipment, equipment, but I would assume that the GPUs, I guess, are different on the consumer line than they are on their enterprise products. Whatever happened, I want NVIDIA to just be like. This is what really went down From their standpoint, why they think it's more of a paper launch. They stopped making the 4090 forever ago, so so they could produce more, 5 000 series cards right, but that doesn't seem to have helped at all anyway, I'm switching gears.
Speaker 2:have you heard that, um microsoft has sent skype to the great recycle bin in the sky and they're shifting everyone to Teams at the moment? It's about time I thought it went to the recycling bin in the sky about 20 years ago. It's that program that you think you uninstalled, but it always used to come back, didn't it? It is that's exactly right. That's true.
Speaker 1:I think I have it now on my PC as soon as Microsoft bought it. I remember when they made the announcement I think I was still in college and they were like, oh, we're we're buying skype. And I was like, oh, I'm uninstalling skype right now. And oh, I activated my camera somehow and, uh, like, I uninstalled it that day and I've never touched this ever. Literally everyone I know jumped ship that same day on the announcement.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the real question is, I think, is like you know who are these Skype power users, like you know, still clinging to it, you know, I guess it's like that one relative that I've got that's still got a Hotmail address and refuses to upgrade their iPhone. Pardon, number six.
Speaker 1:Well, I still have a Hotmail address too. I don't use it. You only really use it for, like, microsoft products and stuff. But I mean, that kind of makes a little bit more sense, right, because they don't really delete your email. But with Skype, there's been so many, much more better products since it first came out or, I'm sorry, I'm sorry Since Microsoft first acquired it, like we've just had a lot better things, right, but I don't. I literally don't know why anyone would still use it today or have been using it within the last five years. Like I don't know anybody. Do you know anyone that's actually used it?
Speaker 2:I don't, but I bet you there's some poor IT department out there that's got an entire company running on Skype for business. Pray for them, Stephano.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they probably work in the medical field too, so just bad times all around.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so have you heard that Amazon's joined the quantum computing race with a chip? What's it called Ocelot or something like some quantum computing chip?
Speaker 1:ocelot, I think is that.
Speaker 2:Is that how you pronounce it?
Speaker 1:yeah, I'm not sure that's how I would say it. People in the comments probably.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, another named after a cat. You know, I think you know, ai chips. They like kind of, oh, like um, intel had what was it? The puma ai chip. It seems like I think the tech industry likes cats all around, like we have come leopard with apple and things like that with operating systems. I mean they make for good names.
Speaker 1:They're like, yeah, fast creatures, and they like idle. They're kind of like cpus when you think about it. They're exciting to be around.
Speaker 2:They purr so so do you think that now amazon's in the quantum game, it's going to speed up my prime delivery?
Speaker 1:so uh, I hope so I don't think so. I so actually, you know. Speaking of prime delivery, I actually had to cancel my amazon Prime when I moved to Alabama. I don't know what it is about this area. We have an Amazon distribution center very, very close. By Packages they say two days, and sometimes it'll be a week or not delivered at all I don't know what's the problem, but I've for over a year now. I have not got a single package in two days. So maybe their quantum computer can help figure that out.
Speaker 2:I doubt it but. I've just totally given up on it. At least, if you don't get it faster, maybe they'll be able to give you an accurate estimate of time when it's going to be delivered.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe they'll be able to do that with like what do you call those? Like atomic clocks you use like an atomic clock or something, so it's like pinpoint accurate also, I think, um microsoft have made some kind of new quantum computing chip. I think the um, I think the amazon one.
Speaker 2:Now, I don't, you know, I don't know much about quantum computing at all, I don't really know anything about it, but, um, it's all theoretical, I believe. Like you know, they freeze it down to something like 0.5 kelvin, which is like I think it's colder than space to make all of the molecules in that area not actually move, and they pump all of the air out. That's why they're in those kind of cylinder things, yeah, yeah, because anything can disrupt the quantum field, um, and so I think the amazon chips are trying to kind of overcome that in a traditional way. But these microsoft ones, I think they're called like um merora chip or something, the microsoft ones it's, I think it's after an italian guy who discovered um special quantum particle, theoretically, I think it was in about 1938. It was a long time ago.
Speaker 2:And an interesting thing about him is he actually going off topic a bit here. He boarded a boat with all of his paperwork and, um, he, um had like various theories and he often said that he didn't think his theories were good enough or important enough to publish. Apparently he got on a. I'm not sure where he was going. I think it might have been from Italy to Sicily? I'm not sure, and he never came off. The other side, apparently, is it Majorana?
Speaker 1:Is that the one you're talking?
Speaker 2:about.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think so. Yeah, I'm probably pronouncing it totally wrong, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, I don't know Majorana is what I would say. So, knowing Microsoft, they'll rename it in like a week anyway and then rename it again and rebrand it again, so they'll probably end up calling it Azure or something.
Speaker 2:But apparently it works totally differently. They're kind of taking the problem in a different way with the interference and I think they've got eight oclets working Oclets. So they say it's going to become more of an engineering problem than a scientific problem. So they say it's going to become more of an engineering problem than a scientific problem. So they think it might be kind of three to five years to follow as a quantum computer.
Speaker 1:So I don't know if you've heard this. I don't remember where I heard this from and I could just be totally spewing misinformation and lies right now. But, I'm going gonna say it anyway, but I had heard that, like with our current just regular cpus, like the actual lanes have gotten so small. Uh, due to, like, nano manufacturing or whatever that like they're having trouble keeping the electrons inside the lanes and they're like I've actually heard that yeah, like um, because they're getting so thin, or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, excuse me, I wonder if quantum CPUs have the same issues. I would imagine Similar issues.
Speaker 2:I think it is Now. People who actually know about this are probably going to correct me in the comments, and please do yes definitely please.
Speaker 2:I think the problem with quantum computers is you have to observe, because it can be. Either in a normal computer it's one or zero. Observe because it can be either, like you know, in a normal computer it's one or zero. Quantum it can be kind of anywhere in between as well, and it can. It can exist in two separate states at the same time. So they have to actually be able to observe that and look at it with something, and so I think the kind of electron beams or something they're looking at it with that can disrupt the state.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because if you observe something, you are inherently changing the state of it, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, so that's, that's the kind of like kind of problem. But yeah, that's how I understand it. I'm sure it's probably wrong.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm not a physicist either, so I assume, I assume, like maybe we'll have, like quarks, cpus in the future, because electrons are too big, so we'll move to something even lower down.
Speaker 2:Changing the subject a bit, yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh wait, actually I don't know how badly you're going to change the subject. Not sort of related, but NVIDIA actually just dropped their new ARM CPU oh really, 20 hours ago? Oh, no, or announced it like 20 hours ago, or like a benchmark was leaked or something like that. No, that's what it was. A benchmark was leaked on Geekbench and right now it's running very poorly. So, kind of related, but not really.
Speaker 2:I was excited until you said it's running poorly.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, I feel like I don't have enough information. So what is poorly right? It depends on what you're comparing it to. I suppose I don't have enough information. So what is poorly right, like it could be what? It depends on what you're comparing it to, I suppose, cause it could be really good. It could run better than like an Intel 14, 700 K for all we know.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's not hard to do. I found that, you know.
Speaker 2:I was shocked when I switched to Apple Silicon how quickly it could render my videos. Like I was. You know, I had I had like a 3900k and rtx 3080 and I'd render out a video in, say, 40 minutes. And then when I got the m3 mac it was doing it in about 15 20 minutes yeah, and the power draw was extremely low as well yeah, yeah it's fantastic.
Speaker 1:So you know it's funny. I got my m4 and the first thing I did you know, unraid has the, uh, the, the oh my gosh the, the boink team where you know you can uh solve uh proteins, oh, yeah, yeah. Or protein folding, yeah, yeah. So I was like I'm gonna just hop on there and and kind of gauge like where the m4 is. And, uh, somebody had like 56,000 points or something like that. I installed Boink on my M4 and then became first place on the leaderboard for the Unraid team with just one system and like I think the other guy had maybe like three or four x86 systems and I was like this one thing is beating him, is probably using, I don't know, 100 watts maybe I'm just I just made that number up, so I don't actually know but probably using way less power than he is and it's still just, it's so powerful yeah, I think you know for a laptop you just can't beat it.
Speaker 2:my battery just lasts hours and hours and hours. I had a Razer laptop before and the charger was like the size of a house and also if you wanted to buy a spare charger it was like about £150. It's crazy, but I'm really happy with the Mac. Do you use an iPhone at all, or are you an Android guy?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have an iPhone 13.
Speaker 2:Do you use things like Apple Pay and things like that? Yeah, I've not used that personally, I'm kind of old school, still use the cards, but I've heard in local tech news that Nice segue. Well, not local. It's pretty good, eh? In China, they've made a payment system where you actually pay with the palm of your hand. Yeah, so if they adopt it in the UK, if anyone scans this now, you'll be able to actually use this and take all their money.
Speaker 1:So it's not just scanning their hands right. It's like looking at the veins in on the inside of their hands right yeah, yeah, I believe so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's kind of a bit creepy to me, you know. Yeah, it's creepy. Creepy enough with face id for me. Can you imagine being out on the date? Yeah, and um, you know you go, you go to pay and um, you know it doesn't work and you go. Oh, I'm really sorry, love, my bank's blocked me because my palm spent too much on GPUs last month.
Speaker 1:Right, it's one of those things it's like a really cool idea but just based on the way information is handled and gets lost and it's just like I can't trust what they're going to do with my internal, I don't know, it's just it, my internal, like I don't know, it's just, it's creepy, I don't like it, it's scary, but it's really cool at the same time it is pretty, it is pretty cool, you know yeah I was originally not going to use apple pay like their wireless tap to pay, but honestly, it's just.
Speaker 1:It's so incredibly convenient. And what really got me there was when I came to visit you, because in the uk it's like tap to pay everywhere yeah, and so that's what really got me on the kick to to use it, because originally I was still just handing my card out, uh. And then, ever since I came to visit you, I was like, oh, I'm just gonna tap to pay everything. This is amazing. It's so fast and convenient.
Speaker 2:Don't have to carry a wallet anymore I'm looking forward to when I can come and visit you and see your home lab. That would be great. So what are you kind of running in the home lab at the moment? Anything interesting.
Speaker 1:Honestly, I don't think so, or personally I don't think. Maybe it's interesting, but I'm also using it every day, right? Obviously, I have like three Unraid servers right now. One is my primary server that we do everything with. We have a backup that's almost a clone of the primary one, and then I have a test one, pnas, as you're familiar with. And then this is the newest one. It's called ANAS and it's actually one of the oldest servers I've ever owned Since 2010, I think, I've had this thing, and it was back when I was mining Bitcoin and hosting Bitcoin nodes and things like that.
Speaker 1:That used to be a Bitcoin node to help the network transactions and all that stuff, right, and so I was thinking, like you know, what can I do with this thing? And so I decided that I'm gonna reuse it for a future video I plan on doing and it's running unraid, of course, because it's just so simple. You just plug in your us USB drive and then boom, you know, you have your Unraid on it. You set up containers or whatever, whatever you want to do, right? It's just quick and easy, and also Unraid, like runs on everything, yeah, so, and this thing is so old, I think the newest operating system I can get on there is CentOS 7 with ease. The newest operating system I can get on there easily. It's like CentOS 7.
Speaker 2:So Sorry, go on. I was going to say what I bought recently. Well, I'll say recently it was probably. I wouldn't be surprised if it was about a year ago. Now I've been planning on doing this for a little while. I bought the first AMD 64-bit chip, a motherboard, and I think I managed to get 4 gigs of RAM. It's pretty hard to get a lot of RAM to go in these old, I think it was like 2005, something like that.
Speaker 2:it came out around that time Because I really want to see if I can run the latest Unraid on the first ever 64-bit CPU.
Speaker 1:That would be interesting.
Speaker 2:That's a little project that I've kind of got on the back burner. I keep meaning to kind of grab the parts out and try it and see yeah that would be really cool. Will it run? It'd be quite interesting. So put it in the comments, guys. If you want to see me do that, I will do it. If enough of you say that sounds good, or if you think it sounds really stupid, then tell me as well, and I won't do it.
Speaker 1:As soon as this video gets posted, I'm gonna go comment on there and say, yes, I want to see this. I like old tech is it's so interesting to run these days because the it's not that the philosophy has changed, but, like the hardware has changed a lot, um over the years, and so, like, like this thing, I'm surprised at how responsive and quick it is, even though it's like 15 years old.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's mostly because Unraid is so lightweight. But you know, I didn't appreciate it at the time because it ran Windows. It was a Windows server of all servers, which is the worst thing Like at the time I was like, oh my gosh, this thing is so slow and just unresponsive. But with unraid on there it's actually.
Speaker 2:It's quite snappy yeah, yeah, yeah, I think unraid runs in like 400 megs of ram yeah, I don't something small? Yeah, it's pretty. It's pretty small, so I've been messing around. Have you ever heard of something called Bezel?
Speaker 1:Bezel.
Speaker 2:It's a self-hosted monitoring system. Someone on my YouTube they said, ed, you need to try out Bezel Bezel. I thought, oh, I'll try that out. It's pretty cool. It's a lightweight, really simple monitoring system. You have a client and a host. You can install them both on the same server. I actually beat you with the amount of Unraid servers. I think I've got seven or eight, three Proxmox servers and a TrueNAS server currently. Wow, too many. I don't really know why Some of them don't get switched on.
Speaker 1:It's an addiction.
Speaker 2:It is. Yeah, bezel, know, really worth checking. Checking out. Um gives you a nice kind of dashboard of all of your different servers and you can see the stats of what's happening yeah, I'm looking at like a screenshot of the dashboard now.
Speaker 2:This is pretty clean yeah, and it's super easy to set up. You just have um, you get like a key on the client and you put that into the server, give it um, tell it what the ip address is. And I haven't tried it yet, but I'm pretty sure it'd work over tail scale, so you could literally kind of monitor friend servers and all sorts of things as well, which would be all right, hear me out.
Speaker 1:I don't know how you feel about unread connect, but what if unraid Connect was able to provide a dashboard like this? Would you use it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, One thing I would really like with Unraid Connect is I would like to be able to have friends be able to share their server and I could have it in my Unraid Connect dashboard. Oh man.
Speaker 2:I've got various friends who don't know much about their server and I could have it in my unread connect dashboard. Oh man, I've got various friends who don't know much about their server and just agree to be able to say ring up my friend and go hey, rob, your hard drive is like almost full, you're going to need to put another drive in there. Man, you know things like that, rather than them ring me up and say their whole server's not working because their cash drive's like totally full and this, that and the other that because it would be kind of neat if they treated like us as tenants, right, and so you can link multiple tenant accounts together.
Speaker 1:So then you could also apply our back uh, role-based access or whatever whatever it's our back is like and didn't have different roles, and so you know, you would be able to touch other people's or look at other people's systems or other people's penises and then be able to monitor them and understand, like, how they're running. But also you could assign multiple. Yeah, I think that. Yeah, that's a pretty good idea you got going on there. If they could somehow make it more, I'm going to say enterprise like, but that's not really what I mean, but like kind of goes like enterprise like features.
Speaker 1:Maybe that's something they could like look at doing in the future yeah, you know, you know like unread, because like unread for business would be really cool if they can get to that point because I'm gonna have to cough, because I don't know where the mute button is.
Speaker 2:I think it will cut my microphone off if I press it, and I'm too scared to do that. I've been. I've been wanting to cough raiders, so that's got that out of the way you've done a good job holding it in so, um, what's your opinion on?
Speaker 2:um? I know I'm kind of swapping around because I'm just thinking of unraid, yeah, the unraid roadmap, and, like you know, obviously I've got a bit of an inside scoop on some things on the unraid roadmap and I, you know, obviously I've got a bit of an inside scoop on some things on the unraid roadmap and I'm sure no one will mind me saying that we're going to be upgrading to a newer kernel soon, which will be um kernel 6.12. Okay, um, that being the last kernel that will actually read riser fs disks, as it was actually stripped out in 613. But 612, I believe, is the latest um lts kernel. But I am kind of getting to. What I want to say, kind of, is that will have um full support for intel battle mage gpus, and I wondered what your opinion is on um intel cpus. I've not actually used them except iGPUs. Have you ever used them for, like you know? You know what they like for gaming and things like that Because their, their price is really good, isn't it? Oh, you mean the Intel?
Speaker 1:GPU. Oh sorry yeah, Intel.
Speaker 2:GPUs like their, their new ones, Battle Mage, I think, said the latest ones funds.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're right, the. The last time I looked at trying to actually buy one, I could not find anywhere to buy one because they were either sold out or like it was sketchy, um, but it looks like you know, for I think it's like 250 us dollars. You could still get 60 fps at 1440p, if I'm remembering correctly. It depends on the game and the settings, but generally, you know 1440p max settings you can still hit around 60 FPS and that's for $250,. That's not a bad deal, I don't think. I think that's great.
Speaker 2:How much are the? What do you call it, the AMD? I think it's the 7800. They're about $400, aren't they?
Speaker 1:I don't know. Off the top of my head. I'm still looking at the. I'm trying to find a B580 for sale right now. Yeah, so I'm on. Locally it's sold out. I can't even buy a B580 if I wanted to, and it's $250. And would you say 7800X? Yeah, 7800XT.
Speaker 2:I think the reason I'm asking about that one is, I believe it's pretty much the identical GPU that's in the PS5. Oh really, I didn't know that I'd just be interested to know how much that is.
Speaker 1:So you can get one from XFX for 300. Oh, sorry, that's a. That's the wrong one. I can't get one of those Not for sale. I'll check Amazon.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah. Will it be real?
Speaker 1:Probably not. This looks pretty legitimate. It's about $520 from XFX.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's probably about 450 pounds. Yeah, so it's about $520 from XFX. Yeah, so it's probably about £450. Yeah, so it's quite a lot more than the Intel GPUs. The Intel GPUs seem really competitively priced.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think they look competitively priced. For me, I should actually start doing research now because my kid has a laptop with a 6700 mobile CPU and a 1060 mobile GPU in it and I mean that's, that's so old and it's starting to finally show that show its age as he's starting to play more graphically demanding games age as he's starting to play more graphically demanding games. And so I should probably look at one of these intel like seriously, look at one of these intel cpus, because it would be a really easy way to save some some real money and get him something more modern. But also, I mean he's like he's eight right, he doesn't need something crazy. So I should look at that. I think I'm gonna look at that. I'm glad you brought that up yeah, you with laptop GPUs.
Speaker 2:My brother's like been speaking to me this morning actually before we got on, saying, oh, I want to get a new laptop. I've seen this new Razer laptop that's got a 4090 in it. I'm trying to explain to him it's not a 4090. It's probably running off 120 watts, so you know it might say, say 4090, but it's never going to have the 4090 performance and it's like this laptop's about 3 000 pounds, which is like 4 000 us or me.
Speaker 1:You know I'm saying that, just don't do it yeah, we, I kind of so I have the gaming laptop, um, but it was, it was so at the time it was like just so cheap and it wasn't. It wasn't even for me right like we, just we just had it um. But I've been, I'm like a very staunch do not buy gaming laptops person. Everyone I know that has ended up buying one has severely regretted it, because they either die early due to heat, they don't get anywhere near the performance they want, you literally can't have them unplugged from the wall because they die within minutes, even if you're not gaming like, if you're just generally browsing. And you know it kind of goes back to what we were talking about earlier with silicon. You know, like when I have a laptop, I want to be mobile first, I want to have good battery life first, and a gaming laptop does none of those things well at all that I've ever seen.
Speaker 2:100% agree.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like you know sorry everyone we keep talking about Apple laptops, but I was shocked I could play a game on it when I first saw it. You know I had Apple stuff years ago. I probably kind of pivoted away from Apple in about 2018. Stuff, years ago, I probably kind of pivoted away from apple in about 2018 and, um, I was shocked when I came back to it how good the apple silicon is, that I could actually play one of my kind of favorite little games I like playing it's not super graphically intensive is stray. I'm not sure if you ever played it it's the cat game, right, I haven't played it.
Speaker 2:I kind of like that.
Speaker 1:It's quite quite relaxing so you tech people do like cats.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I was shocked it would actually play a game and it didn't get too hot and the battery didn't run out after 20 minutes of playing it.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I told you this or we've talked about this before, but when I was coming to visit you, I actually had an M2. No, I'm sorry, sorry, an m1 pro, and I played this very old game now called rome total war, and I played the entire flight from atlanta, no detroit, to one of your major airports, the name I can't recall london no, not london it's like the actual airport name oh, heathrow yeah yeah, we flew there and I played the entire time.
Speaker 2:Now, granted, I did have an external battery uh connected to it as well, but still, like between the onboard battery and the external battery I had, I played the entire flight, the entire flight, and it was great well, at least, um, you know I haven't played the rome total war, but I'm saying at least like when you're flying you couldn't be playing online and getting like wiped out, yeah, by other players, so you probably had quite a good time playing it. I did.
Speaker 1:It was great. I mean I it was. It's compact enough, it doesn't generate a lot of heat, so so I was comfortable. You know, like the screen is bright and colorful, I mean it, just it, just it was a overall like a great gaming experience, even though that's not what the laptop is for. But I don't know what else to do with 12 hours of my life while sitting on a plane, not being able to move or do anything, so it seemed like the right call.
Speaker 2:Where do you, stephano, get your hard drives and things from? Um over in the states? You know, when you buy a hard drive do you ever buy like refurbished you got any kind of favorite stores. What kind of things do you get?
Speaker 1:I, I, I just so. So normally I just get my my hard drives from best buy, um, so they sell these, uh, easy store external, um, yeah, external drives that you can buy and they come in like all. I think you can get up to 20 terabytes now and they're very expensive usually, but for some reason best buy does these like crazy sales where you can get them insanely cheap. So I've just been buying those drives because they're basically enterprise drives that are maybe missing some features. But for what?
Speaker 1:I use hard drives? For? Just mass storage, like I don't really care about what features they have, so long as they're like cmr and so long as they work right, and even if I avoid the warranty by removing from them, removing them from the shells, because I get them so cheap, as long as they last like five to six years, they're easy and cheap to replace and I don't have to worry about not being able to exchange them warranty wise, right. But recently enough, funnily, I've actually been looking at buying refurbished drives, uh, from like server part deals or online, but then, right as I had made the decision to go buy new drives, it's like we they're seagate. There's like all these like fake hard drives or, uh, maybe not counterfeit hard drives like popping up in the use market and I'm like, oh whoa, I was looking at buying seagate and now I don't know if I can trust it yeah, yeah, exactly like, like they're selling hard drives for new and they've got hundreds or even thousands of hours on, apparently some of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:As well, like you know, with the, with the Best Buy thing that you were saying about, you know, shucking the drives. I've got a question to ask you about that. Do you still have to kind of like do the thing to the pins on the hard drives when you shock a drive?
Speaker 1:oh yeah, you're talking about a 3.3 volt issue.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you still have to do that, or is that not a thing anymore?
Speaker 1:I I think it still is a thing. But I haven't run into any problems with the hardware. I have everything I I have seems to support the the pins in their default configuration so I don't have to put captain tape or electrical tape whatever they call it uh over the pins or remove the pen. So I've been very lucky. But that is definitely a potential problem, uh, for some people like if I guess if they're using like really old power supplies maybe yeah, you know what I was going to say about the kind of best buy drives.
Speaker 2:We have like um, um, an electronic store I think it's called curry's over here and other places um, I'm not sure which stores it is, but I have heard that people have like shut drives and then they've put like a one terabyte in and they've taken it back to the store, said, oh actually, I, you know, I kind of don't want this anymore. And then they put back on the shelf. So then some poor sucker goes and thinks they're getting a 20 terabyte external drive and it's got like a kind of eight year old one terabyte drive inside yeah, that's actually happens over for you guys as well, or not?
Speaker 1:yeah, that's a very real problem and and that's actually what kind of was pushing me to start looking at buying refurbished drives. And I the internet's pretty big about or at least in the United States, about buying refurbished from serveropartsdealscom or something like that, but Best Buy.
Speaker 2:I feel like I'm about to shill so hard right now they're not paying me to say this Is Best Buy, just an electronics store, or is it kind of like Walmart and does everything?
Speaker 1:It's mainly electronics. They sell other things in there, like plushyy toys and, I think, legos now too, so they're kind of branching out. It's mainly focused on consumer electronics. They sell, like you know, kitchen equipment and things I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, sounds very much like our carries over here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably, but anyway. So, like I was looking at buying refurbished drives cause I was fearful of that. And again, best Buy is not like paying me to say this or I'm not affiliated with them or anything like that, but they, they have a pretty good return policy, like um. So if I did ever run a situation where I shucked a drive and it, oh, turns out that it has like a one terabyte drive and I try to buy a 20 terabyte version, that it has like a one terabyte drive and I try to buy a 20 terabyte version, honestly, anytime I ever return anything, they're just like they look at it and they're like, yeah, it looks like the thing that is on the pictured on the box and they just return it, and so it's very simple. So I'm not actually too worried about getting scammed with Best Buy or, yeah, getting scammed buying things from Best Buy because they have a pretty good return policy or exchange policy too. So it's not too big of a deal, but a lot different when you're buying online.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, buying online Like I know somebody who kind of bought some NVMe drives off Amazon. This is probably 18 months ago, oh, okay.
Speaker 2:It's quite a long time ago now Bought some NVMes. They came through they were a company, they bought them, they needed x amount and they opened them and inside there was just a piece of cardboard. So what had happened is, um, they were just fake and obviously they'd made the box weigh exactly the same amount as what an nvme would. And they wrote. They wrote, amazon sent them back and amazon sent them some more and they were exactly the same. So I said to them I said like, before you open the next lot, you need the video opening them, because they're not going to believe you saying, oh, there's another load of empty boxes, but the serial number is the same on all of them. And you know, I've actually got that video somewhere of them opening it.
Speaker 1:It's kind of scary that we have to do that these days, like record ourselves, opening the whole process. It's like it shouldn't be like this at all. Count like counterfeit. Things are becoming a very big issue, and you know speaking of which. So USB drives, yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh man, I wish I had it.
Speaker 1:Give me, give me one second. You could talk about counterfeit USB or USB problems. Real quick, I'll be right back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so there's a big problem with counterfeit USB drives on Amazon. There's a lot of counterfeit ones coming out of China. They're being sold by often third-party sellers. Maybe even Amazon themselves get caught by it sometimes and you might get counterfeit SanDisk sold from Amazon directly. Like I said, these nvmes were from amazon direct. So obviously, obviously with those like someone like hey boss, I've got a real great deal on this palette of nvmes, thinking like, and then you know, you know it was like all all the hero for a day, until later on his boss goes. You know that real good value palette of NVMEs, they were all fake.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's terrible. Yeah, the SanDisk. I tend to stay away from SanDisk now because so many times they don't have a proper grid on it, so no proper grid. They won't work with their own RAID server, right, and you know I'm finding it. It's these I'm not sure about yourself, stefano these kind of like triple packs of um really cheap, like three in a pack for like kind of 9.99. You know, I think it seems very, very cheap, but um, a lot of times apparently they just kind of like clone the firmware and it has the same grid or no grid at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I also heard as well I think that I think about 2018, they did actually change on some of their drives the actual controller they use.
Speaker 1:I can't really speak to too much that because, like I, the most newest USB drive I bought was from Samsung because I actually switched brands as well away from SanDisk. So today I still buy. Like if I had to buy one I would look at Transcend or Samsung. But I think Samsung may have similar issues with cloned UUIDs and such.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I found Samsung really good. I will always buy Samsung. They're a little bit more expensive, yeah, they are. It's like 25 bucks, but I always get the solid metal ones the good. I will always buy Samsung.
Speaker 1:They're a little bit more expensive?
Speaker 2:Yeah they are, it's like 25 bucks. But I always get the solid metal ones, the bars. I love those because I just don't think they're counterfeited so much. You know it's the cheaper ones and more well-known ones. I think they're counterfeited.
Speaker 1:But my, my SanDisk like, so you know, this SanDisk one, I probably won't be able to get the focus on camera, but it's completely fallen apart, Right, but it's also 15 years old and it still works great, Because at one point SanDisk was the go to brand. Yeah, and they made really good USB devices, SD cards, but you can't trust them anymore.
Speaker 2:Whatever they did is bad. Did they get bought by someone once Because didn't they used to have really good SSD hard drives? And then they got bought by someone?
Speaker 1:Did they get bought by Western Digital? I think they did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 1:Western Digital buys? Yeah, I think they did. They auto-completed for me that would make sense why they've gone down In 2016. So that kind of makes sense, Cause I think around 2016 is when I decided to not buy Western digital I'm sorry a SanDisk anymore either. And what I think I changed my focus. I don't want to say it was because of that. I think I was changing my focus to buying from brands that directly made their own flash media like. So intel used to have really good flash storage on their ssds back then, and so I was very careful about who was buying flash storage from, and I want to say that's what made me switch away from sandisk to samsung and trans. I don't think Transcend makes their own flash, but I switched to them anyway. But yeah, oh and okay. So I got to show you this Speaking of cloned UUIDs and stuff. So and you know how we're trying to find USB devices that you can install Unraid on.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So this allows you to install an M-SATA. It is huge. It allows you to install an M-SATA. It is huge. It allows you to install an M-SATA SSD on here so you can install Unraid on it. But it shows up as a USB device, so you can.
Speaker 2:So the actual device has a grid itself, and then you can swap out the drive on it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so if this dies, you can just buy another one. So I actually have two here. I'll open this. A live unboxing, right that's called. Another one, so I have, I actually have two here. I'll open this. A live unboxing, right that's called. I have it labeled. Oh it's. I think it's called B listed, which is blacklisted, right? So anyway, here's both of them. So if, if this dies, you can just take your M SATA device and put in a new one and you know whatever it should be good to go.
Speaker 2:The problem is, I guess, and vice versa too. So if the drive dies, you can put another one in and you don't have to re-register your flash drive, because it's got the same GUID from the controller.
Speaker 1:Right, exactly. The problem is both of these devices have the same UUID. So because I've already used this one, this one's now blacklisted and I own six of these and every single one of them has the same UID. I actually made I think I made a video about it and because somebody had posted on the forums, I believe they're like hey, you know this, these things work great. And, um, you know, it's a great way to not have to buy SanDisk anymore and you can use M Seda SSDs that are also fairly inexpensive. And I was like, oh yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1:And then I bought one that was already blacklisted and I was like that's strange. So I hit up unread support and I was, hey, my thing is blacklisted. You know, can you help me? So they, so they were able to help me, you know, get around the blacklist. And then, um, I don't, I don't remember what happened, but for some reason or another, it turns out when I I got my second one, it too was also blacklisted, and so I looked at the uids. It sent me down this huge rabbit hole. But, you know, it's just like everything just feels so cheaply made and like, how much money are they possibly saving by just, you know, cloning these versus giving them unique UIDs.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It can't be that much.
Speaker 2:No, but you know, it's the old saying, isn't it? You know, if you can save a dollar on manufacturing I know it wouldn't be a dollar for that, but if you can save a dollar on manufacturing and you sell 50 million units, you've just saved $50 million.
Speaker 1:I guess that's true, but now I'm telling everybody do not buy from this brand. Yeah, that's good to know, do not buy anything from this brand.
Speaker 2:I think, if people want it, I think that on the uncast channel we should do a video of actually testing a bunch of flash drives. Again, I did a video on my space invader one channel years ago. I can't remember how many it was, I think it was about 100 drives. I just basically tested them, reading and writing constantly until they died, to see which ones died, and the winner was the samsung bars in that test. So I'll be interesting to see how things have changed and what other um, what other flash drives will be good.
Speaker 1:I think that would be good to do like you could do it like yearly, right, because they're constantly releasing new versions of of these things and that's something like every year. We're like, okay, we're gonna take a look at, you know, last year's best drive, see how it compares if it's even still available, right and see how it compares to something newer. I think that'd be a great idea and that way like if it's constantly kept up to date, then, uh, as new people join the unread community like they'll have a much better time finding new available information versus finding forum posts from forever ago. It's like, yeah, sandisk, buy Sandisk. So I think that's a good idea.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think. Yeah, let us know guys. There's no live chat today, but put it in the comments below. If you want that video, we will do it.
Speaker 1:And we definitely read the comments. I know I've gone back and looked at comments. I know you've gone back and looked at comments, so it's very important that you guys definitely comment, let us know and you know we want, we want the show, uh, to grow with you and for you and you know. So any input that you give us, you know we'll definitely evaluate that and you know we'll grow together.
Speaker 2:I really want you guys to be part of the show. You know this isn't just steph and I talking. We're really looking forward to everyone joining in and, like you know, yeah, we we want to have it like a, a nice place. We can all chill out and chat and um chat about unraid, chat about, you know, self-hosting, open source. Anyway, I don't want to be outdone by Stefano in showing some hardware. So I've actually got some hardware to show as well, if I can find it. So what do you reckon this is, stefano? It looks like a hard drive. It does, but it opens up, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Sorry, camera SSD. Okay, it's now a three and a half inch. Nice I drive. I thought these were really cool. Um, I got given them by a friend of mine. Um, he lives up in london. He gave me about 10 of these, um, yeah, and I think they're really awesome. You know, yeah, you can, you know you can kind of put them in like this, yeah, into a normal tray that's, but that's way worse, though it's like clunky but this just looks nice, doesn't it?
Speaker 1:yeah, and it just, it just slides in and then you're done, it's tool-less I really like it, so that almost reminds me of uh. So are you familiar with western digital velociraptor drives?
Speaker 1:they're very old now they're like maybe 15, when they like 10, 15 000 rpm drives yeah, exactly exactly, and they were tiny, the uh those used to come with adapters that look like giant heat sinks and that honestly kind of, because you just you slot them in there and yeah, you can tool them down, uh too right, like so that way they don't move, but you just slide them in there and you slide it in a three and a quarter inch bay and it just fits perfectly. And that's what that reminds you of. That's a really neat thing to have Adapter.
Speaker 2:I thought it was pretty cool. I saw some 3D print that just wedge it in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I'd rather have that was from StarTech.
Speaker 2:Um yep StarTech they are looking into that. I think they're quite expensive they're in between 20 and $30 each but I was lucky. I got these free. Yeah, Um, I mean, it's not terrible.
Speaker 1:I think a lot of adapters are fairly expensive these days. It's not terrible, but because I do, I have been thinking about I have all of my bays are three to three and a quarter inch for drives Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so there's not really an easy or goods or what I would consider a good solution for putting in 2.5 inch drives. So I'm going to look into something like that. Maybe I'll do something with ssds in the future yeah, yes, yeah, a nice little device, I think yeah, so you know what.
Speaker 1:you know what? Speaking of devices, um, something that should exist that doesn't exist, right? So I don't know about your home setup, but I have my streaming and gaming pc in front of me and also my Mac, and I have to switch between devices with like a USB switch. Right? Did you notice that there's no USB switch that just gives you like one video in and one video out and more than like two USB ports? Like I'm talking like I want at least six USB type A ports? Right, because I have headphones, microphone, keyboard, mouse, camera, and so two USB ports isn't enough. But nobody makes a KVM switch that has more than like two USB ports. They give you USB-C and a lot of other options. It's like I don't want to put a hub on my adapter, on my KVM switch. Like can you just give me more USB ports? But all the KVM manufacturers are so focused on giving you like 10,000 outputs so you can have 30,000 monitors attached to your like two computers. It's like I don like who wants that?
Speaker 1:There's no way there's that many people out there that want four screens coming out of their one KVM switch.
Speaker 2:Another thing I find I've never found one of these is we've all seen USB switches. You can share USB devices, not like a full KVM with a screen, but have you ever seen a thunderbolt switch? No, not yet. So I can have a thunderbolt, you know, share a thunderbolt things with two different computers and switch it over.
Speaker 1:I would love that yeah, you can only get that in usbc and then the usbc ones are and, I would argue, are not good because they try to.
Speaker 1:they try to give you extra features that you that I personally don't want. Someone may want them, but like, why can't I just get a USB switch, a Thunderbolt, preferably one that's Thunderbolt four or well, thunderbolt really, that also has a USB hub built into it, and not with just one or two USB type a ports, but it one with at least four, ideally six, also has USB Type-C or Thunderbolt on it as well. Why doesn't that exist? I know it would be expensive, but there's definitely a market for it, because if you look at docks, they're like $500, $600, and people buy those up like candy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I'm a little tired.
Speaker 2:I'm a little upset about it. Don't worry, I I feel your pain, stephanie, I do feel your pain, man, thank you. There's nothing, nothing worse than you know, knowing a good product, and it doesn't even exist. You know, yeah, you know, it's not as bad as if you kind of go to bed and you dreamt that you had one and then you woke up and found that you didn't, and then you couldn't even buy one. That would be more sad it's almost.
Speaker 1:That's equally as bad as dreaming that you've wrecked your wxsti and your dreams oh, I've got one of my lights deciding to flash.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna have to turn it off. Everyone, this one, so I'm very sorry. Well, hopefully everyone can still see me with that light off yep, you look the same. No changes from my end I don't look more young and handsome oh, you've always looked young and handsome to me anyways, um switching from kind of hardware and stuff let's talk of kind of like a container showdown kind of thing. Yeah, okay yeah, yep let's think of like plex and jellyfin, right. What do you think the pros and cons of each are in your opinion?
Speaker 1:so I actually I actually just recently switched from plex to jellyfin and I may not be the best source of information, but after having both recently, I can tell you that I think I prefer plex's. Ability to identify videos and pair them with thumbnails is significantly better. Um, also, I really like how plex like if you want to turn subtitles on it's. It's more intuitive and it seems to remember?
Speaker 2:is it only intuitive because you're used to plex? Yeah, okay, I guess that's fair plex would then it be. You know, jellyfin would be more intuitive because you're used to it well, maybe, but so I'll tell you.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you why I say this right here in a second. So I think plex is more intuitive with with their uh subtitles. So I switched to switch to plex. Not for any reason in particular, I'm sorry. I switched to jellyfin not for any reason in particular, but mostly because it's kind of the new rave and I wanted to check and see what it was all about. Honestly, it's quick, it's easy, it's just it's it works right out of the box, no issues, issues, and I was, and I really really enjoyed that, that component. But with the subtitles, sometimes it forgets that I don't want subtitles on and so when I go to watch something else, it'll just turn the subtitles on and I'm like, why are you doing this? So I'm on Apple, I'm on Apple TV, so it's a little different. You have to like swipe, so it's kind of hard to get to where to disable the comments and sometimes it says the comments are enabled or I'm sorry, I keep saying comments. Sometimes it says the subtitles are enabled, but it's not showing subtitles. So I don't know why it does that. It's just really weird.
Speaker 1:I I think I like jellyfin more so overall, than plex, um, just from a standpoint of it's easier to set up it. Passing through hardware to it is way easier and, um, I don't know, I just I like the interface. It's a lot less cluttered. I don't know, I like it there. Oh yeah, also I don't uh. So I just I like the interface.
Speaker 1:It's a lot less cluttered. I don't know I like it there. Oh yeah, also I don't. Uh, so part of the reason why I switched from Plex is cause I think Plex, like, will share what they know about you to other people and I, I don't want that. I just. I just want like a basic application.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly Like you know, Plex has some great. You know I'm not a Plex user. I've never used Plex for probably longer than a week or two.
Speaker 2:I've always been an MB user and Jellyfin is a fork of MB and I basically currently run an MB server and a Plex server. Plex has some nice features. I remember during COVID it had the feature where you can share watching a movie with someone else at the same time, and there was nothing like that on MB. I think Jellyfin have added that now and they added it shortly after. That's really nice. I've always kind of thought Plex has all the features. But the good thing about Jellyfin, I guess, is it doesn't shake you down for a subscription.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so I don't know if this is true. But if you want hardware acceleration with Plex, you have to have their license.
Speaker 2:You have to have their Plex pass. Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 1:Which you know. So I was, I want to say I was about to finally buy a lifetime license with Plex and then I was like Well, I don't really like that you're scraping my data for whatever reason, and also I appreciate that you're trying to give me free TV, but I just don't want it. I don't think you can disable it.
Speaker 2:I really hate that how it's got their own kind of shows and things on there. I do remote support sessions for people and I see Plex and I think, oh, I would just really not like that. I only want my own things. It annoys me enough on my nvidia shield where two-thirds of the screen on sort of the modern updates now on it are just kind of like adverts for like disney plus and kind of like nvidia, kind of like you know, game this, that and the other, and you know used to be like the screen real estate was yours and then more and more updates.
Speaker 2:On the nvidia shield it seems like there's more and more, more and more things are adverts for like netflix and um, oh. And I'll tell you another thing I don't know if you ever had an nvidia shield and you other guys out there. I don't use netflix on my nvidia shield. Damn, it's got a button on the remote control and um, so many times I'll be lying in bed watching a show with vanessa and I've got the controller next to me there and I will just knock onto it and the only button I'll ever knock is the netflix button. And then next and it has that silly tune saying do you want to sign up?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, really, really is one of my bugbears.
Speaker 1:I have to bring this up because it's also about remotes for Apple TV. I wish I had mine right with me right now. I kind of want to run and grab it, but it's fine. So let's pretend that this is the Apple TV remote and all your buttons are here. It's perfect, right? Well, for some stupid reason, where you would naturally grab the remote, like this or like this, they have a button on the side of the remote that is like I guess it's like their Siri button, which I've just always disabled for the last 10 years. And every time I go to pick up the remote or like I lean on it or whatever, it activates and it just totally breaks whatever you're watching or doing. And it's like why did they do this? Why? And apple? Just, they have the most insane engineering, sometimes like with their mouse, how you have to flip it upside down to charge it. Why, why? In 2025? Why don't you just make it wirelessly charge? Why? Everything else you have wirelessly charges. And we're back on apple. Stop it, ed.
Speaker 2:You keep doing this we need to come away from the dark side and go back into the light okay, well, so back to plex, right?
Speaker 1:yeah, I know, I think I completely agree with you and mb. I think the reason why it never caught on for me was I just didn't like the ui. It was a little clunky. Um, it has great features. Like um, it has great features. Uh, there's one that windows used to have, like dlna or something like that, or maybe it was on a windows feature, I think it was dlna. Like dlna is great.
Speaker 1:It makes streaming to anything super simple but again, I've never had a need to use that personally yeah, I can see why you know a lot of people would like it yeah, I would say it's a very niche, like like any reason you can come up with a very niche, but anyway, it was just. It's just always been kind of clunky. Uh, from my experience but I haven't used it in like 10 years so it's probably changed a lot since then but jellyfin is is right now. It's almost perfect. It's very clean, yeah, very simple. Uh, I need some work with thumbnails, but aside from that, I have absolutely zero complaints yeah, I think it's absolutely awesome.
Speaker 2:You know, I do love jellyfin. Yeah, didn't fully switch to jellyfin because I share my mb server with my sister and I really just you're gonna laugh. She lives three hours away to me. That's like. That's like going to the moon and back. You know, like I know you guys in the states, you know you'll drive three hours to go to a bar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, true I mean like you know everyday.
Speaker 2:That's the other side of the country for me, yeah, and I think I really just can't switch to that to have to drive to her house and install the jellyfin app for her, because I'd rather drive to her house and do that than try and talk to her how to do it over the phone yeah, yeah it would be quicker to drive there and back and take the six hours and get very frustrated with her.
Speaker 2:I'm very patient with non-family members when it comes to helping with tech, but when it's kind of family members and I'm trying to help them, for some reason my patience is very, very short.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think a lot of people are the same way. I don't know what it is, it's because they're family and you can treat them however you want right.
Speaker 2:Well, I think let's move on to kind of the last section of the podcast. I reckon um, I want to chat a bit about ai and um, your thoughts on ai, stefano, and I don't know if you've seen any of the things in the news lately about lawyers and ai. Have you heard anything about that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's kind of scary. I don't know how you could. So, if I got information, if I was a lawyer, and I got information from somebody else who claimed to be a lawyer, and I mean there is a certain level of trust when you're talking from professional, professional Right. But I would still at least look at the information given to me and try to ensure it's accurate.
Speaker 2:Let's step back a minute because we know about it, right. Maybe the audience don't. So, basically, guys, there have been various cases where lawyers have gone into court and they're citing cases that are AI hallucinations, right. So they're very lazy lawyers, yep of ai hallucinations, right, so they're just. They're very lazy lawyers, yep. And they've kind of done all their research with ai. And ai will never just like not answer a question. It will never say I'm really sorry, I don't know that. It will just like if it doesn't know it, it will just make it up yeah, it fabricates and results it's.
Speaker 2:It's so weird but you know, can you imagine, like, um, you know, seeing in the court, like you know, imagine explaining to to the judge? I'm sorry, your Honor, my AI made that up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's what. That's what that one guy did. He's like, well, I didn't know, because it was the AI made it up and it's like, but you didn't even like try, and he tried to pass it off as his own research too, I think, or one of the cases he tried to pass it off as his own research and was like I did all this and oh, turns out it was actually AI and it was fake and I didn't do due diligence and make sure that the information was correct before presenting it to a court case. Like that's crazy. To me that just doesn't make sense. That's super lazy, like you said, that's that's super lazy, like you said.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, absolutely Insane. Have you had? There's a company called I think it's called tele performance or something and they have now made what's called an AI accent neutralizer? I think this is really kind of dystopian myself. Yeah, what it is is they've designed it for call centers overseas, like in India, and so what the call centers do is they use AI to neutralize accents. Why do I feel this would just go horribly wrong? I don't know. If I was Indian, I would probably refuse to actually have that change my voice. I never have trouble really understanding different accents, and I think it's you know, personally, I kind of think it's quite bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's definitely interesting. I don't know how I feel about it.
Speaker 2:It's a bit kind of insulting, really, Like if someone wanted to change my British accent to sound, you know, like French or Spanish or something. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I would never change. I appreciate you for who you are. Thank you, even if you've been unleashed, and I think I should be leashed, but still yeah, I will.
Speaker 2:I will break any leash. I'll chew through any leash you put on me. I'll tell you me.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you yeah, what, what? What makes me more scared about this technology is it's going to land in the hands of spam call centers not yeah support centers, and so, inevitably, what's going to happen is now these attacks are going to be more sophisticated because of ai you are so right, my god, I didn't now.
Speaker 2:You scared me, stephanie, because sorry the amount of the amount of like things like that I get through like scam call centers kind of pretending to be some company, pretending to be my phone company, this, that and the other. Yeah, it will become more and more difficult to um, especially for you know old people, like you know our grandparents and things you know yeah, because they didn't really grow well.
Speaker 1:We didn't grow up with ai either, but we at least were introduced at a young enough age where we're pretty. We're still experiencing it and seeing it evolve and you know we can play with it as is. But like you know when I'm, if my parents they have no interest in technology at all, how are they going to know this technology exists, unless that? But it's covered in the media, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, it's crazy and you know like, you know that's just voice and you know there's things like was is it called? Sonar? Um, I think so. It's um open ai's like text to video creation software and um, you know that's been released in the uk recently. I think you guys have had it in the states for a while but it's causing a bit of a stir over here. Yeah, various kind of lawsuits.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and AI voice is actually getting to a point now where it sounds it's very smooth, they've had theirs. Have you ever seen that movie called Her? No, oh man. So the premise of the movie is there's this man who essentially falls in love with his AI assistant, but the AI is it talks like a normal human being and like breathes, and takes breaths in between, like I just did, in between sentences or words, and he asks he's like why do you do that? And she responds well, so that's more natural and calming and humans seem to appreciate it subconsciously, or something like that. She says something to that tone and he's like well, stop doing it, it's freaking me out.
Speaker 1:Well, the AI systems now are almost getting to that point and I want to say, uh, google, to that point. And I want to say, uh, google, live their live gemini. It'll take little pauses and breaks when it's speaking and it sounds really natural. It's not quite perfect, but it's, it's starting to sound really natural. If you're hard of hearing or, uh, you know, over the phone, where maybe the communication or the signal is not as strong, it'll totally pass 100. I think it will totally pass as a person it's just incredible really.
Speaker 2:I, I remember um, um, on one of my kind of early 8-bit computers I had a program I think it was called sam um it's that side of speech something module, okay, yeah and um, we had the computer lab at school and I I hated the computers in the computer lab. I thought they were really bad, and so I said, can I bring my own computer in? They said yeah, and I remember, like you know, a few of us kind of ran doing it and I did like getting the computer to kind of like and it sounded like that and I thought it was like quite amazing. Yeah, I've got it. Um, swearing the teacher's name, saying he's a complete and utter Whilst. He was out of the room, then he came and walked into the room. I was never allowed to bring my computer back to the computer lab after.
Speaker 1:That's awesome.
Speaker 2:I was just thinking the amount has changed in my lifetime yeah, From when I was a little boy to now. It's insane.
Speaker 1:I've always thought the robotic voices were definitely more fun and cool, but the more human it gets.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it definitely sounds better. We all kind of like the old sci-fi shows where the robots exterminate. It sounds more sinister than just someone that sounds like us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and there's also something about it not being a natural voice. That is comforting at the same time, but it's almost like if you're trying to fake being a person. It really makes it more unnatural and more uncomfortable, which is bizarre, because it's the same thing, but I don't know, it's just it thing, but I don't know, it's just, it's just weird. I don't like it. It makes me feel weird.
Speaker 2:Have you seen those AI things where um you can get, you can give it like a photo of you know anyone yourself or historical character? Give it some text and then it will animate the face and it will speak the text.
Speaker 1:Uh, yeah, I think so. I think I've seen a lot of people do that with, like mona lisa it's crazy, isn't it?
Speaker 2:you know, just like it's awesome. One photograph it can calculate what it would look like as a person speaking and it does their voice and you type in the text.
Speaker 1:It's just the what's what's really wild is like we're still in I would consider the infancy of ai and so it's like what, in 10 more years, was. What is it gonna be like?
Speaker 2:maybe unraid will replace you and I with ai models and we'll have the same conversations about new ai and what I find really strange about kind of tech and things like that is how quickly we get used to things like yeah if I told you kind of 10 years ago about these kind of things, you go, that's crazy, like that just sounds so amazing. No way that will happen. Suddenly we've got ai and it's like, oh yeah, I know about that, just no big deal, yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's like, yeah, it is a bloody big deal it is, it really is but we just take it for granted already, and and we've only had it, what a few years.
Speaker 1:And I can actually attest to this because I was pretty staunch anti-AI, in the sense that it's too new, we don't know how they're using the data that we're inputting into it. You shouldn't be using it. You shouldn't be using it. But have you used Google at all? It's terrible. Google search has absolutely gone. It's, quite frankly, unusable, and I find ChatGPT, copilot are really good search engines.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And, yeah, they may not be accurate, but when they are accurate, it's extremely helpful and if they're not accurate, it can help you find the information, indeed much more quickly than a google search can, and it's weird that google is now.
Speaker 2:it's just terrible, it's absolutely terrible I think I think the biggest kind of challenge in ai at the moment is security. Oh yeah, um, I think, as I as help, if I could speak. I think as ai models grow, um so does their basically their attack vectors, don't they? You know, there's more attack surface as they grow. I don't think anyone's an expert in ai security yeah it's.
Speaker 1:You know, we don't know enough about it to really kind of like, um get a grasp on it and um and copilot is like giving away windows licenses for free now or helping people get around windows is licensing stuff and that's their own product.
Speaker 2:And if they can't figure out how to control their own product like exactly, you know, I don't know man, it's, it's gonna be crazy yeah I'm sure a lot of companies you know they're gonna kind of run to ai much too soon and they'll end up leaking data to kind of like other staff members. I'm sure there's going to be companies that are using copilot and it's set up badly and someone will say, oh, um, tell me about something, something, and like it will dive into some data that's in like the kind of microsoft tenants or something yeah, yeah and it will pull like someone's pay information of another staff member because, like you know, the information hasn't been tagged properly.
Speaker 1:And, um, well, that's actually a good point because I think happening I think, from what I'm seeing, the enterprise industry, the enterprise world, is looking at their self-hosting, their own AI instances to train the AI on, you know, with their systems. And so I can imagine a situation where, so like today, like as an admin, I don't have the rights to look at people's like pay or things or really anything like related to that right, like healthcare or anything like that but AI will be given access to that information because it needs to be trained to help HR, to help all the other business people, to help the admin, developers, whoever right. So potentially there could be a situation where, you know, a disgruntled employee is like, well, I want to know how much so-and-so is making, and they can kind of coerce or trick the AI into divulging that information. You know a disgruntled employee is like, well, I want to know how much so-and-so is making and they can kind of coerce or trick the ai into divulging that information, like you know, how is that going to work right?
Speaker 2:well, what they try and do, isn't it? They try and have one ai check, they have two a's and try and check it. But right, there's some guy called simon wilson and kind of very high up in kind of like AI knowledge. He basically says AI security problems can't be solved with more AI because if one AI can be tricked, the other AI checking it can also be tricked. Right.
Speaker 1:I was. That's funny because, like I want to say, like NVIDIA is trying to compartmentalize AI, so you'll have an HR AI, like a tech ai, uh, maybe like a business operations ai, and so you, so all those different departments, will have their own ai that can communicate together. But then there's also like an overseer ai that makes sure that the information they're sharing is appropriate, and it's like, okay, who oversees the overseer? And then there's like another layer, like a teacher AI. It's like, oh my gosh, here we go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my Lord, like you know. So in the end it's like having a whole robot workforce just to kind of like keep an eye on what the other robots are doing in the workforce.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, right. It's like like wait a minute, we're going full circle here but anyway, enough about robots.
Speaker 2:Okay, what I want to know is confession time. Yeah, I want to know about what is what do you reckon is the dumbest thing you've ever self-hosted? And I really want to know when we go live, I want people to kind of tell, tell us what you know and put in the comments what's? What is the dumbest thing you've ever self-hosted?
Speaker 1:what do? What do we mean by dumbest?
Speaker 2:here like like, okay, it kind of went horribly wrong. It was really pointless. You set it up, it's, you know, and it was just like a kind of pointless thing and you thought, why did I even bother? Okay, I so if we look at, the pointless aspect.
Speaker 1:I think I got a perfect answer for you, answer for and this may offend a lot of people, and no offense to anybody. You know, when you have a tool, use whatever you're most comfortable with, okay. So I'm going to say this, but I'm not trying to offend anyone. But the most pointless container for me personally that I really regretted setting up was lucky backup oh, you're gonna.
Speaker 2:You're gonna upset a lot of people with so many people love your lucky backup video.
Speaker 1:I know, I think I just you cannot say that, man, I have to be like I try to tell people, like in the comments on that video, like, hey, this is great, I don't personally use it. I understand why like people want to use it because, like you know, like the command line is genuinely scary for a lot of people, right, um, yeah, but when I was setting up lucky backup, I was like this is so cumbersome because with user scripts and just typing out rsync and all the different variables in the directories it's so much faster and I don't know. Yeah, I think I really regret doing the Lucky Backup one and I feel like it would be easier just to teach people how to do things via command line, because it's honestly much more simple.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, lucky Becca. Yeah, I'll go with that. What about for you?
Speaker 2:For me, I think and this is probably going to offend a lot of people as well this is it?
Speaker 1:We're not going to get show after this, but it's canceled now.
Speaker 2:Setting up a dashboard like for different containers. Okay, so things like you know and please like, it's just. This is my own personal opinion. For me, things like hemdall and things like that, I said, why do I even need that? Yeah, that's what my kind of shortcuts tab on the browsers are for if I want to go somewhere to another server. I just don't see the point, and you know I'm anyone who's seen my videos when they look at my server in my videos, for a lot of the things I use a lot and other servers I have, I use the custom tabs um plugin and I have all of my servers set exactly the same, so the tabs are in the same one. So like I've got server one, server two, server three, and then each other's one has like that, so I can click on this kind of server two and it'll go to that and the page looks the same, and so it's almost kind of seamless yeah, it's uh, I think.
Speaker 1:So what you're talking about is a lot like um cockpit, um so like uh, red hat sentos fedora. So like Red Hat CentOS Fedora, there's probably other districts, things like.
Speaker 2:Cockpit. I like that. What I mean is just a dashboard to kind of like you know, you've got a button for NextCloud on your dashboard and you've got a button for Plex and you've got a button for, say, deluge. I think, like, why do I have to go to another web page to then go to another web page to then go to?
Speaker 1:another web page.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly when I can just have. That's what your favorite bars for and that's what shortcuts are for, yeah, in your browser and to me. I guess some people want to kind of better, you know, expose it to the internet maybe and then give, like, family access, so it's easy for you.
Speaker 1:Know certain people, but yeah, I mean, these tools exist for a reason because somebody identified, you know, a gap, right, so there's nothing wrong with that. But I just I agree with you Like for for me something like a Heimdall, I don't use it, and like even your plugin, I don't touch my server that often or enough to need something like that, and I make content about Unraid.
Speaker 2:Another thing that was kind of like a Minecraft server just for myself. That was kind of pretty pointless.
Speaker 1:Now you're really going to get us cancelled, yeah, but a Minecraft server just for me.
Speaker 2:None of my friends play Minecraft. That's what I mean oh, okay, okay, okay, I said you know, I set it up and um now, what am I going to do with it?
Speaker 1:yeah, so, uh, it's funny that you bring up uh minecraft server, so pterodactyl, I guess I have two. Can I have two entries, is that okay?
Speaker 2:go on. Yeah all, we'll let you have two.
Speaker 1:Pterodactyl. It is. The upfront cost of getting Pterodactyl set up just to run a Minecraft server or one other gaming server is insane. There's nothing wrong with Pterodactyl On principle perfect, great tool. It should exist. It has a place. Principle, perfect, great tool. It should exist. It has a place. But for me at home, there is no way in hell. I went to try and set it up one time and I was looking at the documentation and looking at the container. It's just kind of like looking back and forth and I just said, nope, not doing this, absolutely not doing this. Kudos to anyone who actually got it set up and working. I think actually there is a YouTuber oh my gosh, I can't remember his name IbraCorp. Ibracorp has a great video on it and I started following his video and I want to say we were probably 10 minutes in. I was like I don't have time for this, I can't do it. So, yeah, pterodactyl is another one on my list. Sorry, can't do it. Uh, so I yeah, pterodactyl is another one on my list.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sorry, if you like it, it's fine, it's just not for me. Yeah, so you know, everyone out there put in the comments what containers you don't like. Yeah, I'd be interested to what other people say. And it's not, remember, it's not just containers you don't like, right? Okay, we've got to be clear here, because like yeah, yeah I probably phrased that very badly ones that didn't work out how you thought they would do when you first started.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a good way to put it. I want to see what other people are saying for sure, because I feel like one of the problems we have with the Internet is like we kind of have this bandwagon like oh, check out Heimdall I'm not saying Heimdall specifically, I'm just using an example but like, check out Heimdall, on principle and at face value, it's super cool. And then everybody's like oh yeah, you should be using this, you'd be using this, but I want to know, like I want to hear, what other people are doing, because there's no way everyone's setting this up. It seems like everyone's setting it up and using it, but are they really so? I want to, I want to know what people actually have to say about this. I'd be really interested.
Speaker 2:Yeah, me too, yeah. So let us know, guys, please. Anyway, I think that pretty much brings us to the end of this episode, stefano.
Speaker 1:It's the last one ever after you just said Minecraft.
Speaker 2:This is going to be the only episode ever because we've offended too many people. Anyway, we're going to be going live, so we're really excited for you guys to join us. It's going to be the first Saturday of every month Check out the Unraid forums things for the exact time. We haven't really finalized the exact time of day that we're going to have it yet, but we'll try and make it so it's a time of day that you know people in different, different time zones.
Speaker 1:We can all have some sort of overlap yeah definitely get subscribed, because what we can do also is when we do have a more solidified time. I could also put it in the digest, under a digest, and so that announcing can make it there and so they can just quickly hear you know, saturday at 9 pm or 9 am, whatever right and guys, you're gonna have to forgive us on our first live ones.
Speaker 2:You know we are going to be a bit, probably a few hiccups along the way. So you know I've never hosted a live show before, so it's going to be a really fun adventure for me now also, you're in the uk and I'm in the united states, so big time gap.
Speaker 1:Lots can go wrong. It's if we were together, it'd be a little more simple.
Speaker 2:But and you know I've got a very naughty dog that can bark and make lots of noises in the background. Hopefully you haven't heard her too much today, but that's always a bit of a worry in something live that you can't edit out when the dog barks 100%. Anyway, guys, thanks everyone for watching. I really hope you enjoyed this, this, and thank you very much to stefano um for joining me and agreeing to be part of this absolutely awesome show. We'll catch you in the next one, guys, see you later, see ya, bye, bye.
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