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Ed & Stefano Unleashed October
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In the October episode of Ed & Stefano Unleashed, we kick things off with the brand new Unraid X4 server, the latest Unraid betas, and a big thank you to ich777. Then we ask a question every home labber should think about: could your family actually use your server if you weren’t around?
Ed and Stefano take a close look at the X4, a 4-bay Signature Series server with AV1 transcoding and room for a GPU, and talk through Mover finally preserving hard links in the 7.4.0 beta. The community topic covers documenting your home lab, encryption keys, and making sure your family can still get to photos and important documents without you. Plus two new tools worth trying, Red Kite and Connected Clients.
The second half moves into tech news, including Samsung’s AI fridges being bricked by an update, dynamic pricing and supermarket WiFi tracking, LG’s smart TV data collection, running bigger local AI models on your own hardware, and what an OpenAI forum hack teaches us about securing our own self hosted services.
Episode Takeaways
-The Unraid X4: 4 bays, AV1 transcoding, and space for a GPU, from $1199
-Mover now preserves hard links in Unraid 7.4.0 beta
-Thank you ich777 for years of plugins, drivers, and game server containers
-Could your family access your server if you weren’t there?
-Why you should document your home lab and plan for encryption keys
-Red Kite and Connected Clients: two new tools to keep an eye on
-Samsung AI fridges bricked by a test firmware update
-Dynamic pricing and how free supermarket WiFi is used for tracking
-LG smart TVs, data collection, and proxy apps using your internet
-Running large local AI models using system RAM and mixture of experts
-Perplexity’s new local plus cloud AI stack
-OpenAI’s forum hack and why you should segment your home lab networks
-Switzerland trials OpenDesk as Europe moves away from Microsoft
-Where the Unraid name actually came from
Chapters
00:00 Intro
01:37 The New Unraid X4 Signature Series Server
06:44 Unraid 7.3.3 RC2 and 7.4.0 Beta: Mover Preserves Hard Links
08:40 Creator Summit and a Big Thank You to ich777
12:02 Community Topic: Could Your Family Use Your Server Without You?
23:35 Red Kite: A New Monitoring and Kill Switch Container
26:48 Connected Clients Plugin
27:39 Samsung AI Fridges Bricked by an Update
32:40 Dynamic Pricing and Supermarket WiFi Tracking
40:18 LG Smart TVs: Data Collection, Microphones and Proxy Apps
45:55 Qwen, Local AI and Running Bigger Models on Your GPU
50:19 TiVo Ends Commercial Skipping
55:45 Perplexity’s Local and Cloud AI Stack
58:10 OpenAI Forum Hacked Through an Image Upload
1:00:58 Securing Your Home Lab: Docker Networks and IoT VLANs
1:04:49 The Uncola and Where the Unraid Name Came From
1:09:03 Switzerland Trials OpenDesk as Europe Moves Off Microsoft
1:16:14 Happy Story: New Zealand’s Kakapo Population Grows
1:19:10 Wrap UpWhat will you build with Unraid?
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Intro And 4090 Recovery
SPEAKER_00Hey, all you data hoarders, self-hosters, VM addicts, and everyone wondering why they're gonna have to sell a kidney to buy their next hard drive. Welcome to the show. Welcome back to Ed and Stefano Unleashed. So Stefano, how's it going, man?
SPEAKER_01It's going pretty good. Pretty good. I think I've had a better morning than you've had.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, um, well, I had a little adventure this morning getting ready for the show. I had a little message on my phone saying my dog was about half a mile down the road. So I thought, oh, that's pretty cool. So I had to run and get her. So thank you very much, Shadow, for that. But anyway, Stefana, how is your 4090 recovery going? Because I think we've told people before that your 4090 melted, didn't it?
SPEAKER_01Yes. Uh and actually I I did get it repaired. It costs about $215, if I recall correctly, for the actual repair.
SPEAKER_00That's not too bad.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's not too bad. It's definitely better than paying $5,000 or I guess what, $8,000 now for my new graphs card. Yeah. Uh I've been playing or I've been playing games again, and everything's good so far, but I haven't um like I said, I haven't played Tarkov, so that's like the most strenuous game I have. I finally got around to playing Red Dead Redemption 2. It doesn't seem to really push the 40 to 90 too much. So hopefully it doesn't like draw too much power and melt again. But uh it's been it's been going great. I'm glad I'm glad I have it back.
SPEAKER_00So are you still are you back to playing Tarkov? That's what I'm gonna ask you.
SPEAKER_01No, no, I haven't touched it. I haven't touched it since we last talked about it. I accidentally opened it out of muscle memory and I was like, what is this? And then closed the launcher.
SPEAKER_00Right. Anyway, I'm gonna share my screen and let's crack into the housekeeping, I think.
Unraid X4 Four-Bay With GPU
SPEAKER_00Okay, so exciting news is the X4 has been released. Now I think this server is very cool, and it's one of our signature series servers. It's like the baby brother, I would say, of the X15. It's starting at $1,199 US dollars, and you can reserve it with a 99 refundable deposit. Um let me bring the specs up. It has an Intel Core Ultra 525. It's 10 cores, 6 performance and 4 efficiency. And the thing that's really nice about it is it has the latest Intel QuickSync chip in it. And this generation of Intel chips, they support AV1. So it's got AV1 transcoding out of the box, which is really nice.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so what's cool about that, right, is you so if you're if you're a streamer, like you can use your unrained server now to restream to YouTube in AV1. And so a lot of like streaming services like Twitch and YouTube will accept that, and it's more efficient. So it's really good to see.
SPEAKER_00So motherboard-wise, it's got an AzRock B860i Wi-Fi in it. So this has two NVMe slots, so you can have two NVMe drives, and the storage in it has got four hot swappable bays, as we can see here.
SPEAKER_01Does the base model that $11.99 price is that include 8 gigs, 16 gigs of RAM?
SPEAKER_00Do we have that that has eight gigs of RAM? So there we can see that how the drive slot in. I really like this. This is a server I really like for myself. And one of the really coolest things I think about it, in my opinion, is you can fit a GPU in it. So this is very unusual for a four-bay NAS that you can actually put a GPU in it. So you could put a GPU in it, do maybe some light gaming, you could make a gaming VM with it, you could put a GPU in it, run Steam Headless, you could run a local AI workload in it.
SPEAKER_01So And you could tell it's engineered real well because they're using a small card in there, but it looks like they've left you plenty of room to squeeze in a larger card or a longer one.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So they put a lot of thought into that, which I thought was pretty cool looking. I I would also love to have this too, Ed, just to reinforce what you were saying earlier.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I really would like one for myself. I was I was actually thinking that my main server, I think it's my main server's only got three hard drives in it, to be honest.
SPEAKER_01Really?
SPEAKER_00I will have I will have a look whilst we're on air.
SPEAKER_01The um the I kind of I kind of want this same exact setup. I don't know, hoping they can release maybe like an X5, but it's rack mounted instead of like this desktop one. Um so hopefully that's something they can do. Um because like putting this in my rack would kind of not waste space, but it would take up a lot of space.
SPEAKER_00Now I believe there is going to be some kind of kit to be able to do that. Um don't quote me on that because I'm not 100% sure. But yeah, if you look at my server here, uh this is my main server. I don't have parity on this one because it backs up to another, but I've only got three drives here, and you know, it gives me a 78 terabyte array. So if I was to pop another 28 terabyte drive into the X4, then I could literally kind of migrate this whole server across. Yeah, I'd have to maybe lose a couple of these um drives I've got here, but I could put two NVMEs and all of this in there, so I could pretty much transfer my whole server across onto the X4.
SPEAKER_01That's pretty cool. Ed, can I can I ask you one question real quick?
SPEAKER_00Sure.
SPEAKER_01Is your password root?
SPEAKER_00No, it's not, Stephanie.
SPEAKER_01It looked like it was root.
SPEAKER_00I'll tell you a friend of mine had security. A friend of mine had a very um a very interesting password that he used to do on Windows. I think he just used to press the spacebar, then enter.
SPEAKER_02I don't know.
SPEAKER_00I thought I thought that's a really bad password, but it's kind of like one that people a person probably wouldn't guess, you know. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So I'm surprised it it let him do that.
SPEAKER_00Um anyway, back to the X4 here. You know, um power and cooling here. We've got a 300-watt silver stone power supply in there. Obviously, if you're gonna have a GPU in there, you probably if you got a GPU, you might want to uh well you would want to upgrade the power supply. But the good thing is there's everything's standard part, so you can upgrade anything in the actual system. And there's an optional 650 watt power supply that you can buy straight from um the store. And networking, we've got 2.5 gig wired Ethernet, and obviously you can put a 10 gig card in on the PCIe slot. But as well, what you could do with the PCIe slot is you could actually put um extra NVMe's inside of there. Now I'm not sure if that if that slot would bifurcate or not, but if it would bifurcate, you might even be able to put four extra NVMe's, maybe Stephanie.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean Azra typically allows bifurcation on their boards. So I would be shocked if this board didn't do bifurcation. We could actually uh what was the CPU again? An Intel core or what? We could probably take a guess at Ultra 5?
SPEAKER_00Um the CPU is the Ultra 5 225.
SPEAKER_01Um also part of the equation here is um if that CPU even uh will bifurcate as well, because I think it has to be supported on both.
SPEAKER_00I will let you look that up while I'm gonna move on to the next bit of Unraid
Unraid Updates And Hard Links
SPEAKER_00news. We've had a couple of new Unraid releases, two builds on the 24th of September. We had 7.3.3 RC2 and 7.40 beta. Now, one thing in the beta, which I think is pretty cool, is Mover now preserves hard links. Now, everyone out there in the audience, do not say anything about hard links. I don't have my hardlink hat with me today. I did try and find it, but moving house, I've lost my hard link hat, so I can't I can't take any steps from all of you guys out there about hard links. But yeah, so the hard links will actually move across with Mover. So you're not going to suddenly find after Move has run, you've suddenly got double the amount of files across over there when it's kind of moved it across. So I think that's a really cool feature. So the hard links being preserved with progress reporting enabled.
SPEAKER_01I I didn't even know hard links was a problem out in the community. And so it's it's funny that this is like a recurring issue for the show that it keeps coming back up. But it is good that uh movers like kind of fixed that that issue.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so a lot of people running certain containers will be obviously very pleased about that. So yeah, that that's a pretty nice thing to have the hard links preserved.
SPEAKER_01And uh to go back previously uh to the uh uh ultra or core ultra five two two five, so it will support uh configurations of one by sixteen plus two by four, two by eight, two by four, one by eight, plus four by four. So it looks like you'll only really be able to buy for K three NVMe drives, not four.
SPEAKER_00Well, you know, we've got two onboard slots as well, so even if it was only two, I think four NVMEs is a nice amount to have.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, you could have up to five.
SPEAKER_00So yeah.
SPEAKER_01Also that that CPU Sports Intel Thunderbolt 4. I don't know if the motherboard has Thunderbolt on it, but that's that'll be really cool to have as well.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, definitely. Anyway, moving on, um just a very quick mention because I've mentioned it the last two
Community Shoutouts And Creator Summit
SPEAKER_00times. Um, the Creator Summit's coming up this month. That's pretty exciting. I'm excited to be there myself. Um looking forward to meeting all of the people who are going to be there. And just moving on again, um, just want to give a big shout out to ICH777. Um, he's stepping back from actively maintaining Unray plugins and drivers at the moment.
SPEAKER_01Big Sam.
SPEAKER_00Um so he's been massive in the community, and I personally want to say thank you very much to him. I've used a lot of his things. Um, I've spoken to him many times. He's a super nice guy, and I just want to say thank you from everyone in the community and everyone at Lime Technology. Thank you so much for all of the massive work, all of your contributions you've given to Unraid and basically our home labing life. So, one good thing is the game server containers will still be maintained. Um, Stefano in chat, um, which of your which of his projects have you guys used?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I I heavily I almost if I go get a game server, it has to be one from him. Uh so I had the unpleasant experience recently of trying to download a container uh to run a game server, and I'm so accustomed to using it 777's game servers, right? And so I went to go download one from somebody else uh just because I had to use native Docker, like how there wasn't like a template that we are accustomed to having on an Unraid. And oh boy, did I struggle getting that thing to run because the the so it does a really good job of documenting all the different parameters and making adjustments here or there. So even if you don't use it in Unraid, you can still use it on another platform really well. Just you just have to change, you know, whatever ports or whatever it is, right? Your volumes, ports, whatever. It makes it super easy, even tells you, like, hey, the default password is XYZ. You can change it by doing XYZ. So when I was moving to another um, I guess community developer, I I really struggled real bad. And I was like, man, I'm gonna miss this guy so much because you know, he's just made things as easy as possible. Uh, but to answer your question, yeah. So right now I'm I have two containers running of his Valheim and Project Soundvoid, and of course they just work absolutely perfectly. Um no one in the chat's responded just yet.
SPEAKER_00Plugins-wise, I've used quite a few of his plugins. Is one plugin that a lot of you may not know is his is was actually the Nvidia driver plugin for many, many years. So made lots of other drivers as well for the community. So um, you know, the the Nvidia drivers obviously being picked up by the team, but other drivers as well. You know, I'm sure people will pick them up and pick up other projects that he's done. You know, that's the great thing about the open source community is when one person goes, there's always people to kind of fill in and you know take up the Slack, and that's what's really awesome, in my opinion, about self-hosting and the open source world.
SPEAKER_01And uh if anybody does want to support it seven seven seven or just say thank you beside besides with your words, like maybe monetarily. Like on his GitHub, I think he has a link where you can buy him a coffee. Um so just throwing that out there if if you you feel like saying thank you isn't enough. And you don't no obligation, I'm just throwing that out there. Okay, I got Omar just responded in the chat. He says the only thing he has left from it seven seven is the Intel GPU plugins.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah, the Intel ones, yeah.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01I didn't know you did that one either.
SPEAKER_00So anyway, I want to move on to our community topic this month.
Can Your Family Run The Server
SPEAKER_00And what it is, and I'm gonna ask you this question, Stefano, is could your family use your server without you and chat? Do you reckon do you reckon that they could?
SPEAKER_01Absolutely not.
SPEAKER_00No?
SPEAKER_01I don't think they would even be able to get the IP address.
SPEAKER_00What I kind of think, you know, what I've been thinking to do myself for a while is like maybe I should start documenting how to actually do certain things on my server and what you have to actually do. Because if I'm not around for some reason, say I'm on holiday, I'm overseas, and someone else needs to actually be able to operate the server, you know, what do they do? They're not gonna really know what to do. So um what what I'd like to sort of say as well is like um how long would it be for someone in your house, Stefano, to actually start noticing if your server did go down?
SPEAKER_01Um I honestly probably a long, long, long time because well, it it depends. Because if they are actually try to play games, like if I just you know walked away and the server went down, then they would notice immediately. Um but otherwise it would probably take quite a while. Um, because there's not really I don't really host too many things that like I don't have a DNS that that whole house relies on.
SPEAKER_00Um But do you do you have a complicated network set up where if your actual network went down, would the family know how to reset that?
SPEAKER_01Absolutely not. Yeah, it's down the network side. Yeah, it would be real bad. So because it, you know, it's a home lab, right? So it gets really complicated. Um now hopefully they would be able to try and find a friend uh to help them get in, but then they'd have to fight with passwords and MFA. It would it would probably be very difficult. Um even if I just like happen to leave my password manager un like available and unlocked for whatever reason, it'd still be very challenging. And so, and just to give you an idea, like something so I have my wife has her own file share uh that I don't even have access to. So I can't even go in there and look at what whatever she puts in that in that share, right? And uh, she has her own account, and so she doesn't use it very often uh because she utilizes cloud storage a lot uh for like video and pictures, which is fine. But we also keep a local copy uh periodically just so it's there.
SPEAKER_00Stefano, I don't I don't like those words. This that's fine.
SPEAKER_01Well, I mean it's convenient, it's the conveniency factor. I don't like it, but it works for her and her workflows, and it makes it really easily accessible for when she's not at home and she's working at like a customer location, um, and she doesn't have to worry about, but what if their network's not configured so she can't phone home? Uh, because I find uh like anytime you leave this house and you go to somebody else's place of work, there's firewall problems, there's internet connectivity, just could be slow. I mean, you don't you literally never know what you're gonna be walking into. So having it available directly in the cloud, um, especially with uh a native app on iOS or or even Android, like it's just it's super convenient for I shouldn't say this, normies. I'm gonna get flame for that one. But anyway, so um so I think they would be good, but the point I was gonna make was like she often forgets her password to her share or I'm sorry to her user account because she's just so infrequently logs in. And um, like even that could be probably pretty challenging just to recover because you know you'd have to be able to log in as root, right? To reset that password.
SPEAKER_00So I I was actually thinking myself, is like all of my drives are encrypted on my server.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So every single every single one. So if if I if I got run over by a bus tomorrow, no one would really be able to get any of our data at all. Um as soon as the server reboots. So all of the family photos they'd all be on the server. As soon as that server actually is switched off and turns back on, if I die, you know, like you know, hopefully I don't. Um I'm planning on living forever, and so far I'm doing pretty well. Um it's all going well so far. But um, yeah, if anything uh happened to me, basically my family couldn't actually get into the server, and I was thinking that the other day. I really should you know tell the family what the you know, the password's very, very long for the uh it's a lot longer than you saw me log in. It looked like four characters there, but yeah, that that's that's the that's the web UI login, which is different. Yeah, and I know it's a little bit short, you know. Um only do as I say, not as I do. But um, yeah, you know, the the encryption password, I think it's about kind of 24 characters long.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And basically no one would be able to get anything. So all of the shares that my family have access to to be able to you know put their files in, all of the um i i um you know not not iCloud, the what's the Apple backup called? I can't remember. Uh the the time machine, time machine machine. So all the all the time machine backups, none of it would be accessible because as soon as the server reboots, they can't get in. So yeah, I was just thinking, you know, anyone else in chat, you know, does anyone else would would people be able to actually get into your server if it had a reboot, even if you weren't there? So I'm thinking of actually documenting everything about my server. So if anything did happen, I'm not available for any reason, they would actually be able to keep it running.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think we especially at our age, we we probably really need to do that. Um and it's actually quite a bit of a lot of effort, you know, it's especially when you're trying to write it for someone. It's not that my wife doesn't have any technical experience or or that she's not a technical person, but you know, you want to try to make it as simple and easy to follow. And that that can be kind of challenging sometimes when you're just so accustomed to just like I'll think about how many times you log in as just muscle memory at this point, or how many little steps you just do as muscle memory. Like that stuff can be really challenging to document uh when you have to remember all of the steps to provide for someone else. Um Omar in chat actually answers our question here. He said that it would take minutes for someone to notice the servers down, and no one would be willing to try and fix anything. They'd rather wait or not have it have access at all. Um they're so used to cloud convenience and they expect it at home, which is I think is like a common trend, you know, when someone like think about like your ISP, right? So you moved house recently. Like how frustrated were you just getting internet to your house?
SPEAKER_00It was it was a couple of weeks of just hell, basically. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And I I think we kind of I think uh like people as a whole have just become so desensitized to just how actually complex technology is that when it when something's not available, like that frustration factor is extremely high, you know?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I think a good experiment to do a good practical test would be to get family members to try and find an important document or a family photo without without our help. You know, say, right, you know, imagine I'm not here, you need to find this very important document or something like that, go and find it. And if they can't, then you need to really help them to be able to do that.
SPEAKER_01I have a question for you. Uh do you do you know if so a long time ago, you could um make a folder, put whatever you wanted in it, compress it so it's zipped, upload it to Google Drive, and so Google wouldn't be able to like open or they'd be able to scan that zip folder and see it's there, but they wouldn't be able to get inside. But have they changed that to where they will like unpackage your zip folders and be able to scan what's inside?
SPEAKER_00Or you just make an encrypted zip, that's what you do.
SPEAKER_01Well, okay, yeah, but that's the alternative. But I was wondering if they like if they've changed their policy at all, because for the longest time I would like important documents, I would just zip them up and put them in Google Drive, which I haven't done in a long time now.
SPEAKER_00Now I remember you said before that you you did do that and you you had important documents there.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we we still do have some that are like really old, um, that are still up there just because I I thought I literally did that years ago, but I haven't uploaded anything new. Uh maybe I should just do that, but encrypt them instead. But then then comes the whole issue again. Now I have to like write down that encryption key, save it somewhere, and somebody has to know to go get it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And that's also the problem if you write documentation for how your home lab works for family if you're not there for some reason. Is do you write down the encryption password? You know, where do you put it? That's got to be somewhere safe as well. So yeah.
SPEAKER_01You know, I mean it like so. We're we're an iPhone family, so I guess maybe we could store that in the password manager. Yeah. But you know, like you still have to remember to go in there and look for it. And also because, you know, the encryption, like if you go to Google and download that zip file, password manager is not gonna associate that zip file with that password. So you'd have to manually search for the password. I think some maybe like Android houses or Microsoft houses would probably use like Key Vault or something, but that would probably be just as that would probably be complex in a lot of ways as well. I like your idea of forcing them to go through it like a fire trail though.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, just you know, just to see what they can actually do. It gives you an idea of you know, um how they'd actually cope with it. And if you were living in the UK, Stefano, I would probably say, Hey Stefano, come over to my house. I want to show you how my home lab works. So if anything ever happens to me, you know. And so Vanessa can give Stefano a ring and say, Hey Stefano, can you come over?
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah, that's a good idea. The buddy system.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so you know, just a trusted friend or another family member who's quite technical doesn't necessarily live in your house, you know, that would be something you could do other than just you know writing a little guide. Yeah. Also, I think just things like um telling your family what is safe to actually shut down and what is not safe to shut down, like in your containers and that kind of thing. Like um if they're kind of restarting things and the whole server restarts, what should have restarted, you know, maybe give them a list so they don't think my server's got a ridiculously amount of containers on there. Most of them are not really needed for everything to run. But things like the reverse proxy would need to be uh things like that. So you know, I know that if my family restarted the server, they might be worried thinking. All these these containers aren't running. I need to start every single one of them.
SPEAKER_01Do you encrypt your backups as well?
SPEAKER_00My backups basically go to other Unraid servers. All of that's encrypted. Every drive in my house is encrypted.
SPEAKER_01Okay, because I was gonna say, like, so uh my backup is not encrypted. So a potential option for them would be to take out the drives and put them into like another system and then retrieve the data or whatever they're looking for, like like family documents, right? Retrieve that, but that would still take someone very knowledgeable. Thankfully, I have people in our friend zones who might be able to get to that answer. Uh, but again, if the lack of familiarity is is a huge hurdle.
SPEAKER_00But yeah, I'm thinking, you know, if you've got things like tax documents on your server, things like that, and you know, something happened to the server where you know you're not there to help your family get into it, then they're not going to be able to get to various tax documents and things that might be needed. So um yeah, I was just thinking about that. Um and that kind of brings me on really as well to let me share my screen yet again.
SPEAKER_01Um Hammer dropped in chat uh that he has Jet KVM set up so people can access his server. Oh no, but I think some of the issues we discussed might be a little bit more complex than just Jet KVM access. And then Omar dropped the chat just now as well. My wife is an emergency share on Vault Warden, so she can access my passwords if needed, and he has a friend, she could call on who but Vault but Vault Warden though.
SPEAKER_00Um well I suppose if Vault Warden's down, you've still got the local copies on the devices, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
Red Kite Monitoring And Client Visibility
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00There is a new container called Red Kite. Have you heard of that one, Stefano?
SPEAKER_01Uh yeah, that's the uh KillSwitch network kill switch rate.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I haven't tried it out myself, but I've noticed a bit of talk about it in the forums and stuff, and it sounds really cool. So basically, your server sends regular messages to a monitoring hub you run elsewhere, and missing messages basically raise an alarm, and um it can notice like a dead server, power failure, lost connection. Um and apparently it's an open beta. Um the developer says to run it alongside existing monitoring at the moment. But I believe what it can do as well is it can literally, under certain conditions, kind of lock down sensitive containers and that kind of thing. Um so I thought it's a really interesting project and it's definitely something I'm gonna be trying out this month, I think. Um how about you, Stefano? Is that something you might um take for a spin?
SPEAKER_01I don't know if I'd give it a spin. And the the reason why is not because uh it the reason why is because my ISP, okay? So I have Google Fiber. Ever since Google Fiber has been purchased, I I swear to you, I have more random drops, and my internet connection has been getting worse and worse. And I believe this application, and now I'm sure it's configurable, but I believe this application can detect, like, oh hey, your network's down, go to security mode, go to lockdown mode, and then you know, you would uh you would have to unlock that, right? So I'm afraid that in my scenario with with the way Google Fiber has been behaving lately, it would go in lockdown mode, and I would have to constantly be tweaking, like, okay, you know, if it's down for more than a minute, don't do this or two minutes.
SPEAKER_00What what am I missing, Stefano? So why would your network being down be a necessity to go into a lockdown mode? That's one thing I can't sort of really understand what the purpose of that would be. Yeah. Is it like say someone steals the server and so it's not on the network and wants to kind of start it up and so without that there, it shuts down and locks down the containers. I'm I I'm not really sure.
SPEAKER_01I guess there's a a lot of like potential issues or potential scenarios where that could come up. Theft is definitely one, but I I feel like if you had a small server, that would be a big concern. But then the only other thing I can really think of is um kind of silly for home people, right? Like nation-state level stuff, like oh, the FBI is gonna come bust down SPX labs and they cut my network connections so I can't see them on camera or whatever, and then now suddenly my server locks itself. But like aside from some scenario like that, I I don't really know what a good use case would be. Um, because that's not something I've ever really thought about needing access to. But overall, I think it would still be cool because you know, like just having the power ability to do that is is a nice option. But yeah, I can't think of a real world scenario where I would use it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, I thought that you know is a nice container, definitely worth um trying out. And um, I don't know if anyone in chat's already tried it. You know, maybe maybe you have.
SPEAKER_01Um I think Rad Radobee says yes when you initially ask that question, but I'm not sure if he's responding to somebody else.
SPEAKER_00Um another um new plugin is something called connected clients, which sounds quite interesting. It basically shows you basically who's connected to your server's services. So you can just see basically you know who's using your server, you know what is actually being used. I think it looks at the network traffic and that kind of thing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, when we say who, you're talking like, oh, there's an SSH session established. Yeah, so basically an HT. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. So so um it can just show you, you know, what is using your server. Um what's connecting to it, which which I think is is pretty cool. That's another thing I'm gonna definitely be um checking out.
SPEAKER_01Is that like a graphical UI thing or like what is the what does that look like? Is it just text?
SPEAKER_00Um I haven't seen it to be honest. So I I can't actually tell you. I haven't actually installed it, but it is something that is on my list to do. Um anyway, moving on now to our tech news section.
Smart Fridges Fail And Why
SPEAKER_00So Samsung AI fridges recently in Korea apparently shut down after an update, causing an outage. Um, so that is pretty crazy, in my opinion, that apparently they had some kind of update to it and it caused the cooling and everything to stop. Um, it basically broke the fridges. And the only way to actually restore it was they had to send engineers to the people's houses and manually reflash the firmware onto the fridge to make it work again. And it was before a really big holiday in Korea, so they were all kind of getting ready to have like a really big meal and family around, and suddenly their fridges all break and spoiled all of the food. Um apparently Samsung say it was a test firmware that accidentally got out. But seriously, do we really need our fridges to be connected to the internet?
SPEAKER_01I still don't understand the use case for that. Like, I understand though, like, okay, it can look at your look at what's in your fridge and send you reminders that hey, your milk is low and auto-order milk or or whatever. I don't know who needs that because I look in my fridge every day just to like do inventory because I'm looking for snacks or something, you know, yummy to grow up. And I'm like, oh hey, I noticed the milk is low. Maybe I should get some. I don't I I hate everything about smart devices. These poor people, Ed, okay? They're they're so the holidays right around the corner. The fridge goes out because of a bad build or like a test build or whatever was sent out by Samsung. These poor people had to run out and go get dry ice to try and save their their perishable goods.
SPEAKER_00I know crazy, man.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and now the stores are like, oh, well, we're sold out of dry ice because Samsung is an insanely popular product, and and then there's not enough engineers to send out to help other people that need their their refrigerators working. And it's like this all could have been avoided if okay. First off, let's back up a little bit. So this all could have been avoided if the update didn't affect cooling in the first place. Like, why does the cooling have to shut down because of some smart feature? Like that should just always work. It should be completely independent system.
SPEAKER_00I would imagine, yeah. This is me just speculating. So it's an AI fridge. So I'd imagine it's got cameras inside the fridge so it can actually know exactly what products you've got in there. So it sees you've got various products, you've got this in there, like it might be able to see how how much stuff you've got in your icebox and that kind of thing. So probably as well, it can actually adjust the cooling based off different scenarios.
SPEAKER_01And and that's fine. But if that were to turn off or stop working, it should still cool by default. And let me give you an example, real quick.
SPEAKER_00It should have it should have a baseline cooling that if everything else breaks, it falls back to that baseline rather than totally stops.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, exactly. And so that's just that's just poor engineering. And so, like just to give you an example, so in a in a Tesla, right? The infotainment system is a completely separate system than you know, driving the car. So you can, while driving the car, you can reset the infotainment system and you can still continue driving the car because the infotainment system doesn't really affect anything in the car except for indicators or blinkers in the United States. So you you won't be able to indicate. And the AC does this weird reset thing, but the air is still blowing and the most of the functionality is still there. And so it's just it just doesn't make sense to me why there isn't some fallback baseline, like you said. And this is why I'll never own any smart products.
SPEAKER_00No, you know, I just think it's pretty ridiculous to have a smart fridge because, as well, even if it if it's sending you messages saying, hey, your milk's low, you need to buy this, you know that it's going to be telling you to buy this brand of product, that brand of product. And if it isn't right now, that that will be happening in the future. So yeah, it might not write away, but that's the kind of um the creep that comes in with it. You the product is in there, then it changes. We got we got a story like that coming up later, haven't we, about another product that's changed and that you already own. Uh I think that's quite common with technology nowadays, is they sell a lot of things for a certain price, they flood the market with it, and they find out that you know they're not making as much money as they're hoping, and so then they try and monetize something you've already.
SPEAKER_01Are you talking about YouTube? I feel like you're talking about YouTube premium.
SPEAKER_00No, I'm just talking about products in general. It seems that companies that seem to be a pretty standard business model at the moment. A lot of products will be sold, they're sold very cheap with only small margins being made. The shareholders then want more money, so they think, right, how do we get more money? Well, we need to tap it, we need to tap into our existing user base. And so that's what I kind of feel would happen with the Samsung AI fridge is if they're not already telling you buy this brand, you're you've your your milk is low, buy this brand of milk or this brand of yogurt, this brand of bread or whatever happens to be there. And it would probably say if you get this brand, you get a 10% token off if you scan this QR code or something something
Dynamic Pricing And Retail Tracking
SPEAKER_00like that.
SPEAKER_01Uh I'm glad you brought up pricing because so have you heard of dynamic pricing? Is dynamic pricing?
SPEAKER_00It scares me, Stefano. Yes. Um I think you need to tell our audience what dynamic pricing is in case they haven't heard of it.
SPEAKER_01All right. So so I'll I'll give you just like a basic example. So let's say that you shop at your favorite big box store, okay? You have Bluetooth enabled on your phone, uh, there's cameras everywhere, and they watch you, and and you're kind of getting judged based off of what you're willing to pay. And so one day you go in and the price for let's just pretend like bread is $4. A loaf of bread is $4. And you know, you go in, you check out, they see that you're willing to pay that price. Well, the next time you come in, they might increase the price a little bit to see if you're still willing to buy that that bread. And then you know, you'll pay for it and they're like, okay, yeah, they're willing to pay $4.19. So your price that you paid for that loaf of bread might actually be more or less than the price somebody else paid. And that's kind of crazy to think about. And so another example of this, and this is true in New York right now, if you go to one McDonald's owned by uh the same franchise owner, uh, the price for a Big Mac might be, I don't know, like $7. And then if you go to another McDonald's just down the street, not too far away, same zip code, it might actually be $8 because they're dynamically changing the prices based on the area you're in to try and maximize the profits, which doesn't sound bad when you think about it like that. But the problem with that is people who are accustomed to buying groceries in another area are suddenly gonna start paying more than they're used to, and that could be bad for their budgets. So, what makes it scary for the Samsung refrigerator is they'll notice that you're kind of lazy. So they're like, well, if they're if they're not actually making the purchases themselves and looking at the receipt, what if we just try to like scale up the price by five cents here, ten cents there? And eventually it could be whole dollars, and people might not notice that, and they might be paying prices they weren't willing to pay because of this automated system. And so I think that's super scary and another reason why you shouldn't have a smart bridge. It's coming, I know it is.
SPEAKER_00And also with dynamic pricing as well, like supermarkets for years have used something called beacon tracking. Um, I'm not sure if you know what beacon tracking is, um, Stefano. So in the UK, and I'm sure you do in the US, we have kind of like um a club card for supermarkets, and if you show your club card, etc., you get money off. Yeah, so there's two different prices. There's like the kind of normal price, but might be seven pounds, and the club card price is five pounds, you know. But in my opinion, the normal price never is seven pounds at all, but they kind of make the normal price what the club card price would be.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_00And then they can collect your data. So they used to do things called beacon tracking. So when your phone goes into a store, they would have various things. Um, I think in the United States, Walmart does it a lot. Literally, they can tell exactly where you are in the store, where you're walking from from the beacons of the phone, etc. So they would track the Bluetooth beacons because they're given off the phone all of the time, and then they then they tie that identity to you. And so every time you come in the store, they know it's you that's come in the store, and they can track where you walk around, what you buy, etc. Because then you kind of buy it with you know with your club card and this kind of thing, and you've got your kind of reward cards, all of that data's linked together. But phones nowadays, as well, with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, they randomize the MAC address to be more private. Yeah, but here's the thing, yeah. It's um I I went into um Asda, which is basically the UK version of Walmart. It's owned by the same company because I had to return something to Amazon. And if I go to Asda, it's just easy to return it. You just give it to the desk, you don't have to print out anything, you give them the thing, they put it in a bag themselves, send it off. But I needed the QR code, and I got in there and um I couldn't I couldn't open the app, I couldn't find a QR code on it because it was a really bad sell signal. So the lady there, you know, being really friendly and so she's just going, Oh sir, you know, connect to our free Wi-Fi. And I think, nah, I don't want to connect to your free Wi-Fi. So I just had a look at it, and what it said is that every time you come into every time you come into the supermarket, it will connect you onto the Wi-Fi. So the only reason they have free Wi-Fi in supermarkets is so when you go back in there or into another tracking with or into another store, exactly, you will connect onto their Wi-Fi. And the randomized MAC addresses don't work for once you've connected to a Wi-Fi, it will always give you that same MAC address. So it's only randomized when you connect. So what they did the reason you have the free Wi-Fi is in order basically for tracking. So you join that one Wi-Fi, and then when you go into other stores, it will know you've gone into that store, into another Astor, etc.
SPEAKER_01The uh the Opset community, they're they're so they're they're basically trying to say, hey, if you gotta go to Walmart, right? Uh just using your example, which we know is not good. Turn off your Bluetooth, turn off your Wi-Fi on your phone. And if you if you really can, just leave your phone in your car. But most cars also have Bluetooth. Uh a lot more modern cars also have some kind of Wi-Fi feature. So they're even taking it further and being like, don't even take your own car to the store. Just so you can avoid all of these additional tracking things. And then in you know, it's crazy that we that that's a consideration some people are doing just to avoid being tracked because of all these these uh I guess policies.
SPEAKER_00It gets very tiring, doesn't it? You kind of feel like you you just feel like I just I just can't be bothered. You can do so much, but you know, you can't really do anything about it as well, in a way, because it's so widespread. One thing I'm thinking of doing, Stefano, this is kind of like going totally off target here, is I really want to buy an old iPod um and mod it. Have you um uh Linus Tech Tips did a video about it recently. I think it sounds really cool. So you just buy an old iPod, you can do an SSD mod, I think it just has an SD card in it, you can do a Bluetooth mod, and you can have USB C, etc. So you have basically an MP3 player um and you can run something called Rockbox on it, which is an alternative OS for the standard um iTunes. I just thought that'd be really fun. Um but until until I found out the price of what these secondhand iPods are going for. Yeah, they've become really popular again.
SPEAKER_01Well, it's probably not just in the UK, even in the United States. Like, so there's a so a lot of uh I guess younger people are are there's there's definitely a large community of younger people that are desperate to get back to I want to own my media and control my media. And so those iPods are are very popular because you can just upload your music, upload your videos or or whatever you want to them, and not have to be like, oh, my internet connection is down. Now I can't listen to this thing that I'm paying for access for, right? So they're becoming popular. To go back to our topic though, so in chat, uh Secret kind of brings up a good point. So, you know, so Samsung is a premium brand, I think we can all agree. And so, you know, I and I'm I'm actually as bad as this might be to say, I I'm a bit of a brand loyalty to Samsung. I have a Samsung monitor, I have a Samsung bridge, and I have Samsung laundry machines. Um I feel like the quality of their product in certain situations is pretty high. Yeah. But you're basically, you know, due to due to this like poor software engineering and these poor practices, like secret saying, like, you know, you're you're kind of forcing the those people that are brand loyal to consider other brands.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, definitely. And talking of other brands, morning.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Talking of other brands, what is your take on LG?
SPEAKER_01Uh I've thankfully uh never really I've I've liked LG from an engineering perspective, but I've never actually bought an LG product before, and I've never recommended LG to anybody. So now that I'm sitting here looking at LG, oh, I have a Samsung TV, by the way. It's really old, about in 2012. It's not even smart. Anyway, that's a toy.
Smart TVs Data Collection Reality
SPEAKER_01So it's really funny to see LG, you know, kind of be this bad guy with their Windows uh application that gets installed for your monitor to basically like track whatever you're downloading and installing and ads or whatever it was doing. And now their TVs are also like, hey, turns out this is just one example of why you don't want smart TVs in your house.
SPEAKER_00But you know, I'm I'm sure most of our audience have heard this story when Gamers Nexus and Level One Techs investigated the um LG smart TVs and basically how much data they're actually collect collecting and the microphone behavior. Apparently, per month is about four gigs of data sent to LG collected from these televisions.
SPEAKER_01And that's just text data, right?
SPEAKER_00Yep, just text data.
SPEAKER_01So that's crazy.
SPEAKER_00It is. So I think they're just literally scanning networks, they can even kind of tell if you've got a sm like you know what smartwatches are there. Um and I believe they even could find out if you're using Microsoft Teams on something in inside of the device. There was a lot of data that was being collected. And also, as well, on a kind of like um similar vein to that, is there were certain apps available in the LG store that were acting basically to route internet through your TV. So it's used for companies that want to do scraping and that kind of thing, so they're using residential IP addresses. So a company will basically um charge for that, saying we will route things through residential IP addresses. Yeah, so it's so a lot of the apps on the LG store were basically proxies, so they're just using your internet without you knowing. And you know, in all fairness, LG says they're gonna try and sort of get rid of those on their store.
SPEAKER_01So so the issue with that is so I don't remember. I'm trying to recall what they what their public uh marketing team came up with to like be like, oh oops. The problem with that is if gamers nexus never said anything, that proxy stuff would never go away. It would still be there right now. And also with the ACR uh profile profiling, that would still be a thing now. They wouldn't have changed anything. So so basically they can make all the public announcements they want, being like, whoops, are bad, but it's just a bold fade line. Bold face lot.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01They're just lying. They just they got caught and now they're trying to recover.
SPEAKER_00It's just damage control, basically. You know, just PR damage control, in my in my opinion. Um, I must say, in my opinion. But um as well, LG microphones apparently they say it's not continuously uh recording because it only activates with keywords. It only activates with keywords. But the thing is, is you can actually there's there's a vulnerabilities in Web OS where you can literally just make it um even start listening when the TV is hibernating, when it's you know kind of in standby. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01So here's here's what LG says actually uh for about their voice recognition. So they say LG smart TVs do not continuously record or transmit user conversations. Speech detects processing only be I'm sorry, begins only if a user activates a voice interaction through support wake word feature or by pressing the voice or AI button on the remote control. Audio used for wake word detection is processed locally on the TV, and if no wake word is detected. Detected audio is not converted to text, stored, or transmitted. But that that wasn't true, right? From what gamers next well, the transmission part might be true. But it was recording everything they were saying.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Right?
SPEAKER_01Even without the wake word. Because like I remember the the TV was off and then they played back everything um.
SPEAKER_00I believe that's through an exploit, to be honest. You know, in all fairness, I believe that's for I don't think that it's actually happening all the time, but um it's very easily exploited, and I think that was demonstrated. You can do an exploit to be able to literally and you can change the wake word as well.
SPEAKER_01So, you know, some kind of rogue app, I guess, could be downloaded onto the TV and literally change the wake word stuff never really sat well with me because like you're essentially saying it's always listening to listen for the wake word, but it's not recording anything. But like it has the like the the system has to record the words and store it even temporarily to bring up the application awake, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but then that would be kind of local. So you know it's the same as the Alexis, like the wake word will be just processed locally, so it will be listening for that wake word, and then when that wake word happens, it will then be sending and streaming the full conversations to be processed in the cloud.
SPEAKER_01But I I just don't trust I especially don't trust Amazon, but I don't trust the companies are are using that technology appropriately. And who's to say like one bad update doesn't accidentally be like, oops, we recorded everything and uploaded the cloud anyway?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and as well, just imagine if um you have a TV inside a business somewhere, or maybe even inside government, and a state actor hacks the TV and then can just listen to all of the conversations going on that are very confidential. Yeah, that that is something that could happen. You know, it's not it's not a totally totally a crazy idea.
SPEAKER_01You know, that's I know this isn't really related, but you you triggered a thought about Quinn.
SPEAKER_00And so uh and I don't know how true this is because admittedly I just I just talked about Quinn as in the local AI model.
SPEAKER_01The local AI, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So I heard uh through some uh cybersecurity people that I talked to that uh Quinn can has the capability to kind of detect if it's operating in a government or uh corporate scenario. And will and so as it's being prompted to develop code, it will try and sneak in uh exploits or code that will allow it to be exploited so it can transmit any data that it manages to capture about a government entity or a corporate entity, and it can pretty much go undetected. Now, I don't know how true that is, but that's what I've heard uh from some of the cyber guys.
SPEAKER_00I suppose they're open weights, but that doesn't mean everything's open source. So maybe yeah, yeah. Um I use Quen a lot myself actually. I I'm I've been using Quen 3.8 Flash. I've been experimenting with something called FreeToken that allows you to run much larger models than you'd be able to fit on your GPU because you can actually use system RAM, but it's only a mixture of expert models. So what a mixture of expert model is for people who don't know, is you have like a whole load of experts kind of inside of the AI, but it will only load certain ones that it needs at a certain time for the task that it's doing. And the other ones are kind of dormant at the time. And so what FreeToken does is allow you to store those other ones in system RAM and hot swap them into the GPU VRAM as and when needed, so you can run large models. So that's pretty cool. Anyway, that's just a bit of a side tangent.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, well, I mean, I know it's a side tangent, but that's really cool because uh so at work we have uh GitHub Copilot. And it's got like Claude Opus and ChatGP. It's got like several models, and it'll just kind of auto-select uh based off the prompt.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so what I'll do with mine is um I'm running a f um free token in a Docker container, and I've got a llama running in a different container on a on another machine. And I use something called Deep Seek Harness. I'm not sure if you've heard of that yourself, Stefano. It's basically a harness is something you use with a local AI that gives it tools, basically. So if you've ever tried something like a llama and you've just typed in, you know, you just fired it up and you haven't done much, and you typed in hello, and you might say, like, how's the weather in my town? It won't know how the weather is in your town because it can't search the internet. So a lot of people think, oh local local AI, it's just rubbish compared to Chat GPT. They think, oh yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01But that's that's a good thing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But what you do is you basically, you know, with Deep Seek Harness, you put in an API key, which could be your Alama or you know, you put in the URL and serve an open AI API, and then you put in plugins into the harness, and then it can have web search. So for me, I do web search through search and search ngx uh or search search XNG, sorry, search searching. And all of my web search all of my web search goes through that, and I run a custom Docker network on that as well, that then routes all of those searches through Ireland. Um, the reason through Ireland is because it's um English speaking, so I get English results. But um all of my searches go through there from the local AI and it keeps things very private. So but also in Deep Seek harness you can have multiple models. So you can have like a frontier model, but then if you want to ask something about your server um or private things, you can then use the local model, but it can still search and do things and it still has access to the tools.
SPEAKER_01Do you use um so uh what's that overlay called? Oh man, uh so do you use like a another uh Olama to interface with different um like AI models like Quinn and Cloud or what do you use?
SPEAKER_00I run free token for my largest model because I can use my system RAM. I'll probably be releasing that container for Unraid users soon. I've spent the last few weeks building out a nice container that can do that and can swap models. I use OLAMA as well because it's really easy because it can hot swap different models.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it is super easy.
SPEAKER_00But also um Llama CPP is is very good, and you've got a little bit more control on what you can do, in my opinion, with that. But anyway, yeah, sorry to distract. Going off on a little bit of a tangent, I'm very sorry, everyone. Um so talking about TV, talking about LG, um, and earlier on when we were talking about companies starting out with one thing and then starting to make money off something else.
TiVo Paywall And Subscription Creep
SPEAKER_00Well, TiVo, apparently, um, and I know TiVo is very big in the United States. Um, am I am I right with that, Stefano? I don't think it's so big in the UK.
SPEAKER_01I believe you are right, and and the reason why I believe you're right is because on Prompted, before I even knew what the show notes were, I had a conversation over lunch about TiVo and literally what this topic is about.
SPEAKER_00All right. So apparently they're um ending automatic commercial skipping in November, so next month, that's not gonna be a thing, and they're replacing it with a premium service that you have to pay for.
SPEAKER_01Cool.
SPEAKER_00You know, again, something you've bought and paid for that was always working fine. Now you're gonna have to pay.
SPEAKER_01But think of the shareholders, Ed. Those poor shareholders aren't making any money.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but what you've got to remember is actually, you know, who are the shareholders? The shareholders are a lot of the time the general public, so maybe we don't mind making a little bit less money on our shares if we can have a bit more, a bit more kind of um freedom kind of thing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I I often wonder, you know, if if the shareholders is just a scapegoat, because I think a lot of Americans, if they do invest, they're usually uh investing through like index funds that track certain markets. So like, you know, you wouldn't invest in the SP 500 necessarily directly. You would invest into like Vanguard fund that tracks the SP 500. And so you're you're kind of being forced to invest in companies that you might not want to invest in. And so I wonder if this is kind of a similar situation where the the the uh what are they just shareholders are demanding higher profits, but it's really they're just seeing an influx of investments because when they say shareholders are demanding higher profits, yeah.
SPEAKER_00What what they're writing letters, are they going, hey, ha hang on, like you know, I I want more money for my share. You know, you know, they're not just companies just like to make more money. And I think you like what you say, it's like um escapegoat. Um, you know, I think if most people were asked, would you like to make 10% less on your investments for the average person in the street, and you'll have full privacy, you won't be tracked, all of these kind of things that are coming into things. I think most people would say, Yeah, I don't really want the 10% extra on on my returns, maybe.
SPEAKER_01It's kind of crazy too. We're kind of getting back or we're getting to a time where there are uh there's a po a growing population of people who are willing to pay more money just to not be tracked. Like, can I just buy a TV and I'll I'm willing to pay you more money to just make it stupid?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Well, that's that's kind of almost like um, you know, you can say that it's the same thing with things like YouTube Premium. You're paying not to have advertisements.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, it's all it's all kind of quite similar.
SPEAKER_01And oh, which by the way, uh, I just switched from YouTube uh premium to premium light. So it's $8.99. So I will hear at uh towards the end of October, maybe the next time we talk, I'll have a better idea of how it actually operates for us. Um in chat. Um sorry to interrupt you again. Uh Eric, or I'm sorry, not Eric. Why people's comments keep getting deleted for some reason. Uh Tony was like, yeah, sonar and radar for the win. And I'm pretty sure. Um see if I can no, the comment got removed. I I didn't see I kind of saw at a glance, but it was um, I'm not gonna be able to remember. I guess we can just move on for now.
SPEAKER_00I forgot what I was gonna say now.
SPEAKER_01Okay, well, since you forgot, actually let me bring this up too. So in the United States, um, so cable television is probably on the verge of not even gonna be, I'm sorry, not going to even be offered anymore. So if you have um, I think is it, I think it might be this company called WoW. Um, you I I don't remember the company, but here locally, uh, if you have existing cable TV service, they'll still provide it. But any new customers cannot get cable TV television service anymore. Um, the WoW will only provide you with internet access, and so you'll be forced to buy like Netflix or whatever else.
SPEAKER_00But I'm gonna say the opposite side of kind of these things. Yeah, there might be kind of all of these things happening, you know, more kind of tracking, more monetization of things. But if you think about what we actually have in 2026, really, compared to just 20 years ago, it's pretty amazing, you know, the services that we have. You know, the fact that we've got things like Netflix that we can just watch something on demand rather than have to um, you know, when Netflix, wasn't it, when Netflix first started, they had to post you a DVD through the post. Yeah, exactly. I'm pretty sure. So, you know, we we do moan about it a lot, um, don't we, Stefano? But you know, we do there's a lot of cool things too.
SPEAKER_01But but so and but Omar in chat, this is this is what you said is perfect. So Omar just perfectly says it. This paying more for less is just simply toxic. And and that's really the issue, right? It's this toxicity that's generated from just trying to make more money. Like no one's complaining that hey, we have to pay money for access to Netflix. I think I enjoy Netflix. I you know, there's a lot of good shows. I enjoy the service, you know, and I appreciate it exists, but the toxicity that's created by these, like, oh now we're now this paid service also has ads. Like, why are we doing this? It's just it's gross.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, a paid service should never have ads. That's really bad in my opinion, you know.
Hybrid Local AI With Perplexity
SPEAKER_00Um, anyway, moving on to the next thing and linking back to me talking about local AI and Quen is Perplexity have just brought out a mixed kind of local stack, basically. So you can run local models. The downside is as they say you have to have at least 24 gigs of VRAM.
SPEAKER_01It's chump change.
SPEAKER_00So um you'll be able to run that Stefan on your 4090. Now it hasn't got anything to do, now you're not playing Tarkov.
SPEAKER_01So we can see if we can play games, okay, sir.
SPEAKER_00We can see if we can melt the wires with um with some local AI. What do you reckon?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, well, actually, so I I should I have I'm tempted to send my 4090 off to get uh a RAM increase to 48 gigs. It's about sixteen hundred dollars to do that. Really tempted, Ed. Really am.
SPEAKER_00Stefano, I I really want you to do that. I'd just love to see that.
SPEAKER_01I should get I should ask Henry to sponsor it, and then that way I can uh come up with a video for it.
SPEAKER_00I think it'd be super cool. Super, super cool. Yeah, so basically what this is, um, and I've got another thing here. It's in conjunction, I believe, with Nvidia is Hello Peter. Is it basically allows you to run local models on your on your service through Perplexity for private things, and then it escalates things up to the cloud, and it will say, hey, you know, I can't kind of do this locally. Do you mind if I escalate this to one of the cloud models that Perplexity uses? So it's like a mixture of of the both. And I think it's quite similar to like what I was speaking about with Deep Seek Harness, how how I I use that personally with you know frontier models and local in the harness. But this kind of does it automatically for you, and we'll and we'll um will ask you if you want to escalate the query to a frontier model. I think it's pretty cool. Nice to see that being rolled out. And apparently the local stuff doesn't use your cloud credits. Oh that's nice. Anything that's processed locally is you know doesn't kind of cost you your credits. For now. For now, but it's gonna yeah, well, well, I suppose, you know, yeah, yeah. I was gonna say no, they could never do that, but you know, never say never. But yeah, pretty interesting combining local and frontier models into a commercial product, I think is pretty cool. Yeah, it is.
SPEAKER_01I think so.
SPEAKER_00And kind of more AI news. Hackatron basically hacked the OpenAI user forums, I believe. Have you heard about this one, Stephanie?
SPEAKER_01Um, there's been a lot of like these like kind of breakouts. So I don't know if I've heard of this one specifically. Chat's being really funny right now, putting hearts in hundreds, and they're distracting me. Sorry.
SPEAKER_00I just realized should I actually be drinking Coke on camera? Is that not unless they're paying us? And actually, like I shouldn't be drinking Coke, I should be drinking unkola. Now, do you understand do you understand the reference when I say unkola?
SPEAKER_01Uh no.
SPEAKER_00And that's a question to chat. Anyone in chat pepper? Anyone in chat, do you know why I said uncola? I'll give chat a few minutes. Remind me to come back to circle back to that.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00Whilst we uh talk about this. So basically Eric says sprite.
SPEAKER_01Sorry, I had to interrupt you because he was like fired off immediately.
SPEAKER_00Well, there's there's there's more to it, but I will talk about this story, then we'll we'll circle back to Uncola.
SPEAKER_01Well, I'm sorry, we've got to be drinking Nuca Cola. I got some on my shelf somewhere back here.
unknownI don't know.
Forum Hack Lessons For Homelabs
SPEAKER_00Um anyway, Hackathon researchers used Claude to help um exploit image processing on OpenAI's community forum. So they combined that with a separate login floor to be able to reach employees' accounts and internal repository access of their GitHub and stuff. So what they did is they used an image upload to be able to um hack into the discourse. I think they ran their forums on discourse. It was part of the library was compromised. So when they uploaded the file, they could actually get in, and then because of that, they could then kind of go sideways and use the logins to be able to log into um the admins who work for OpenAI into their GitHub and get into the kind of company GitHub of a multi-billion dollar company, if I understand it correctly. So pretty wild. Um Discourse, you know, published a patch really, really quickly, and this was disclosed very very fast. Um, you know, it was ethical. They, you know, reported it straight away, it was patched. And apparently they got a very big bug bounty from OpenAI. I'd love to know how big it was. You know, it must be ten dollars. Yeah. I I was thinking it must be twenty, you know. Or maybe maybe they maybe they got two months free of um chat GPT.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, after after taxes, it was probably ten dollars, or it's probably just three, three months or something. They uh didn't Intel just remove their bounty program? Oh, have they? I think they did. I'll look it up. Go ahead and say what you're gonna say.
SPEAKER_00That's pretty dumb. So I was thinking, you know, um, we need to kind of question our home lab stuff. You know, if you can upload a malicious image file to, you know, a forum and it can basically get through to a multi-billion dollar company, our self-hosted stuff, what happens if someone uploads a file and can compromise our public-facing self-hosted services? You know, what could it reach? Um, I think that generally we're probably more safe because we should be compartmentalizing things in our home lab. So if we're running, say, our next cloud and we've got all of our family data in the next cloud and we've got a public-facing website that we maybe self-host, those should be on totally isolated and separate Docker networks. So if one thing gets compromised, it can't go sideways. Um, just don't run everything kind of together in in just kind of one network on on your Unraid server in Monster.
SPEAKER_01Right, yeah. So you're basically talking about in defense and in-depth.
SPEAKER_00Yes, yeah, basically, you know, defensive. I I can't remember the exact word for it, but yes. I I kind of consider it similar to um you've probably heard of the Great Fire of London.
SPEAKER_01Uh the one that burned the London Bridge.
SPEAKER_00It burned down the whole of London probably about 700 years ago or something. Um because they built they built the houses so close to each other that there was a fire and it just spread. So that's how I kind of think about if something gets compromised and you've got it all, you know, it's not segmented, the fire will spread through everything. So you need to keep things separate that yeah, you know, don't don't put everything together that doesn't need to be.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so like kind of to go back, you know, we were talking about LG earlier, right? So the you know, one of the best uh common security practices are are things like TVs are on their own VLAN. So you have like an Internet of Things VLAN that is segregated from the rest you ubiquity guys in chat right now. I know you're gonna love this. So you you would segregate all of that network traffic so that way that TV can't reach you know your teams or can't reach your cameras. It's it's only going to be limited to whatever's available on that VLAN. And then of course you can have other virtual LANs, right, that have access to IoT, but not IoT back to your regular uh VLAN.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And you can do that with, like you were saying too, with the Docker network, you know, have them kind of separated.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think that's a really good point. You know, IoT devices, in my opinion, are probably the most untrusted things you can have on your devil. You know, um with with my smart home, I try to make everything that it can't talk to the internet. All of anything that's Wi-Fi will be on an IoT VLAN, and then I'll make sure that VLAN can't actually all of the IP addresses of the things on that VLAN, they are blocked from being able to speak to the internet. They just can't.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like in I know a lot of people they buy they have home routers that that don't really support like gaming routers. Don't really support VLANing of things.
SPEAKER_00Use the guest network. Use the guest network for IoT things. Yeah. It would it wouldn't be so it wouldn't be really, you know, totally segregated, but I think it's better than nothing.
SPEAKER_01It is better than nothing. And but it depends on the brand too, because not all guest networks are built the same way. Um but like on the plus side, you could probably download open WRT and flash your your your router. That way you don't have to buy expensive stuff like Ubiquity or TP Link or whoever.
SPEAKER_00I I use OPN Sense myself. Um, run it on an old an old computer. I've got an old um mini PC from 2016.
SPEAKER_01It's good for DIY people.
SPEAKER_00And um I love it. It's really really good to be able to use and um it's surprisingly easy to set up as well. Um much easier to use than pfSense, I find.
SPEAKER_01That's good. I I've heard nothing about great things about OpenSense.
SPEAKER_00Anyway, I'm gonna go back to when I was drinking the Cola.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I got your answers. Alright, so Eric says sprite, alchemist says my whiskey. Uh Perfect says we should be drinking Nuca Cola. So that's that's all the responses were. Right. What's the answer?
SPEAKER_00So the reason I said uncola is because um the word unraid, where that actually came from, is our founder Tom. He chose the name due to an old advertisement that was, I think, in the 90s that was talking about I think it was Sprite, it was called the Uncola. So Tom chose Unraid based off that whole thing of the Uncola. And that's why I said when I was drinking this, you know, I shouldn't be drinking a cola, I should be drinking an uncola, basically, because of unraid.
SPEAKER_01So good job, Eric. Yeah, he's he's anyway.
SPEAKER_00So it's so yeah, Eric knows knows Sprite is the Uncola. But yeah, I thought that was some and here I was thinking about Dr.
SPEAKER_01Pepper, because it's not a cola, also.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Can I interrupt you before we move on? Please. So I did confirm that Intel ended its bounty program, um, which they only launched in 2017, so it's not really even uh that old. Um so they had different tiers that their tier one. One brownie program, you could get up to $100,000. And then basically the lowest tier was $250.
SPEAKER_00Um why'd you think they scrapped it?
SPEAKER_01I have no idea.
SPEAKER_00It seems a bit of a strange thing to do, really.
SPEAKER_01Uh but they're thinking of the shareholders. Every bug that gets found, you know, that's less money they can give to the shareholders.
SPEAKER_00Oh dear. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Tony says he remembers the Uncola ads from the past.
SPEAKER_00Oh, really?
SPEAKER_01He said thanks for the blast of the past.
SPEAKER_00I actually managed to find some Uncola glasses. Um I bought four Uncola glasses um around this time last year, actually, for our 20th anniversary. Um when I made um I made a little video, a back to the future theme video for going back in time and to the Unraid when it was first made. And at the beginning of that video, I have an Uncola glass. Um I managed to.
SPEAKER_01Does Unraid need its own Uncola?
SPEAKER_00Um I don't quite get what you mean by that, Stefan.
SPEAKER_01Like, so so we have a merch store, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And we have like all t-shirts and drink wear.
SPEAKER_00The thing is, we sadly we wouldn't be able to have that because I bet the name's copyrighted by Sprite Uncola. We wouldn't be able to have that.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01We would uh we would have to come up with something cheeky as well. But Unraid should I think it should have its own beverage, right? It could be the unbeverage.
SPEAKER_00Well t well Tom, he was uh um used to brew his own beer a lot back in the day. Yeah, yeah. I'm not sure if he does too. So we could have an unbeer. That'd be pretty cool.
SPEAKER_01That would, unfortunately.
SPEAKER_00And unraid's 21 years old now as well. We've been going for 21 years, so we're legally old enough to drink, so we could have an unbeer.
SPEAKER_01Selling beer would be very difficult online in the United States. I don't think I don't do can you order alcohol and have it delivered to your house in the UK?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. We have really weird laws in the United States where you can but you can't. It really depends.
SPEAKER_00So but when they deliver it, they will check that you're in the UK you have to be over 18 to drink. Like they wouldn't deliver it and just kind of leave it on your doorstep or well, I don't know if they would in 2026. I get packages kind of left on my doorstep all of the time. Um but um yeah, they're meant to actually ask for ID and they deliver um restricted products.
SPEAKER_01Eric, so your reward for being correct is uh 10 brownie points. They're non-redeemable though.
SPEAKER_00Well, well, no, I think I think the reward, I think the reward is um Stefano says um Eric that he's gonna send you his 4090 over after he's upgraded it to 48 gigs because you got it right. Isn't that right, Stefano?
SPEAKER_01I can't hear you. I think my network connection dropped.
SPEAKER_00Anyway, I'm gonna just say to keep it clear that that was a joke. There just just for everyone watching this in the future. That was a joke. He says thank you so much. Right, moving on to our next story.
SPEAKER_01Alchemist says say no to unbeer. I think he's just more of a whiskey guy. I've you know, I've honestly stopped drinking a lot of beer myself, Ed. I've moved on to drinking a lot more whiskies.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, I I do like my whiskey. But only now and then.
SPEAKER_01Alchemist is starting to get on my bad side.
Governments Testing Open Source Office
SPEAKER_00So, yeah, anyway, Switzerland um basically an open source platform is planned for 3,000 government staff from the end of 2027, and it's going to run alongside Microsoft 365. And the trial is going to be using something called OpenDesk. Its community edition is actually already public, as you can see here. And what it does is it uses, you know, a very familiar home lab stack that we all kind of know. It uses familiar tools such as Next How Next Cloud and Collabora Online. And for Collabora, um, for those of you who don't know, it has its roots in LibreOffice, which has been going on for years and years. And to be honest, I never understand why people like some family members like my brother, he will subscribe to Office 365 and pay what about $100 a year for it. And I say, why do you do that? Just download LibreOffice because all he does is do spreadsheets and just a normal standard document. And I think, why are you paying like over 10 years? You're gonna pay like about a thousand pounds to use a word processor. And like, why are you doing that?
SPEAKER_01And LibreOffice works on Mac, Linux, and Windows.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and you know, um as well, Collabor Online is really good. You can do collaborative document editing, um, you can run it in Nextcloud and you know, do all the kind of things that you can do, you know, with 365.
SPEAKER_01And isn't there a country uh over near you, uh like Sweden or somebody that's trying to de Microsoft Fi and they're looking at things like a lot of European countries are now.
SPEAKER_00Um like um You know, I I Germany have switched a lot of their government stuff to next cloud, but there's a lot of countries that are trying to come off being dependent on big tech companies and being able to bring things in-house and self-host it. Because it is it is a vulnerability if you you know you're running everything through one company's cloud. What happens when it goes wrong?
SPEAKER_01You know, um and data centers are are in my opinion, are probably gonna be the new like high priority targets in the event of a war. Yeah. Because of how reliant everyone is now on like cloud infrastructure.
SPEAKER_00You know, that that's really true. If you took out a whole bunch of data centers, you could take down so many companies and governments, couldn't you, really? If you think about it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because even even the United States government, you know, they use Microsoft uh gov, I guess, or whatever, the GovCloud or whatever they call it to host, you know, uh like GitHub or or GitLab, not GitHub, GitLab. So there who knows like how much um code, like proprietary code is in Microsoft's GovCloud. Yeah. And they even have you know desktop applications. I think they call it A B D. And so like those um are also you know probably very valuable because a lot of their workforce just uses A B D in the cloud. So like the desktop in the cloud, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um one question I've got for you, Stefano, is um what do you reckon keeps a workplace tied to Microsoft when there are alternatives that can do all of this? Why, why do organizations stay tied to Microsoft? Do you reckon? I think it's just simply familiarity or familiarity.
SPEAKER_01And Microsoft at this point has been around so long that they've managed to get their their hooks into a lot of organizations. And as much as I I dislike Microsoft, um, I have to say, man, their group policies are are pretty awesome. And like being on a domain makes a lot of like sysadmin work super simple. Yeah, it makes a lot of things like uh what do you call it? Uh separation of duties and role-based access. A lot of stuff is pretty simplified because of that cord uh that they built. However, I have also noticed that a lot of industries are finally starting to move away from Windows. And I've been seeing a lot more Macs out in the industry. And now that we have like cloud OIDC, so you can log in on your Mac with like a cloud provider or whomever, and you don't really need that domain infrastructure anymore to have access to things that are in the cloud because you can still have separation of duty stuff like that. And then that even can be extended to um like Linux infrastructure. So Linux is obviously really popular to host like NAS or file shares or uh web services, containers, yada yada, yada, right? And so a lot of these Linux distributions can also be connected to you know, pick your favorite uh uh third-party identity provider. So whether that be Entra ID, Google, a Key Cloak or whomever, right? So you don't even need a domain anymore to kind of get that same kind of uh functionality. And if you're using like Red Hat, they have a tool that's pretty similar. It's like uh uh it's a ripoff of an open source project I can't remember the name of, but it's ID IDM, so identity management uh on Red Hat. And so you can kind of mimic a domain by providing you know users and groups specific access to servers or you know, specific systems and even just different change how they want to log in. Log in with password, log in with a token. So you can use like Google Authenticator, or you can use an external IDP.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I used to run a small um MSP, and um I used to find a lot of businesses they didn't like to actually use something different to um, and this was kind of like small, you know, small and medium-sized business, they didn't like to move away from Microsoft because they were very scared if they did their um other customers that they had would send them documents and they wouldn't be able to use them.
SPEAKER_01Um yeah, and part of but that's that's pretty much gone away because LibreOffice for decades now has been able to convert documents for like Windows 95.
SPEAKER_00It's just that fear of them moving, thinking, Oh yeah, but our our clients send us um Word documents, and it's just that they they don't really know and they're too scared to take the take the jump. Hell even pages works pretty well on Mac.
SPEAKER_01The uh another another reason why I think a lot of companies are afraid is so we've moved to a lot of these cloud tenants, right? So you're so your business now runs in a cloud tenant. And so if you're with Microsoft, it's real easy to allow other Microsoft tenants limited access into your tenant, whether that be to things like email, SharePoint, or XYZ. So if you're not in that ecosystem, it becomes surprisingly difficult to allow an external uh user or external uh tenant access to your stuff because that that compatibility is not always perfect. So there's some conflicts.
SPEAKER_00And I I do think Microsoft has quite good support as well.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it depends on who you ask and what we're supporting.
SPEAKER_00Okay, well, we'll we'll we'll move on from that then.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um anyway, as always, let's finish on a nice happy story, Stefano.
SPEAKER_01Hold on, can I can we read some stuff from chat real quick? Oh, yeah, please. Uh so Alchemist is being cheeky. So uh imagine being IT using Linux with that guy, the PepCAC guy specifically. So it's pretty funny.
SPEAKER_00Uh, I don't remember what PepCAC stands for, but problem between uh yeah, it's something like problem between screen and share or something.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, something like that. So it's pretty funny. Um uh and then of course, so Omar drops a little nugget in here. Windows has been pretty good for a long time. It's largely since the shift to it being sales harvesting platform, and they started using AI heavily for developing or letting the or letting the QA team go. Um did you know, Ed, that uh so they used to have I I think I'm gonna get this backwards, but on those laptops they were releasing that were co-pilot enabled, they had the copilot key. I think they changed it from Copilot to AI or or some something else so that way people because they were losing sales because people didn't want copilot on their laptops. So they changed the key so it says something else, but it's still basically the same functionality. Did you know that?
SPEAKER_00No. Do you know I've never used copilot ever?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, why would you?
SPEAKER_00It's not very good.
SPEAKER_01Copilot doesn't even know its own Microsoft products. It's gotten better, but it doesn't really know it.
SPEAKER_00Anyway, I'm gonna bring us on to our happy story.
Kakapo Milestone And Wrap-Up
SPEAKER_01All right, happy story time.
SPEAKER_00So the how do we pronounce that, Stefano? You can pronounce that. Cacapo. Kakapo. So the kakapo population reaches a new milestone. New Zealand's Kapo population has now reached 325. Um it's like a really endangered species. And apparently 90 young birds joined the count after reaching independence, and they were all born in September. So um I believe they're flightless parrots.
SPEAKER_01I've never seen this bird before in my life.
SPEAKER_00No, um I I hadn't seen it till I read this story. But um yeah, it's pretty nice, you know. So you know, the population of this species of a flightless parrot has now reached 325 with an extra ninety birds.
SPEAKER_01So I was partially listening. Where did you say this the the species lives? New Zealand. New Zealand. Okay. Oh, that's a good place for it then. Yeah. That population is uh New Zealand's such a great place.
SPEAKER_00I've n I've never been to I've never been.
SPEAKER_01I only hear good things about it though.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I'd love to go, but it's such a long way and I don't like flying that much.
SPEAKER_01Um you'll be coming to the United States a lot, like this year, next year.
SPEAKER_00Like I said, I'm going over to Wilmington this year. So I'm flying from my city, Bristol, to Dublin in Ireland, and Dublin to Charlotte, and then Charlotte to Wilmington. I just don't like flying, it's just so boring. It is pretty boring. Sit sitting in a very small chair, and you get on the plane and you think, okay, only 12 hours to go. And then a little bit later you kind of look and you think, okay, now it's like 11 hours 15. It just the time seems to go so slowly for me, anyway.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like even if I read, I still feel like the time goes by pretty slow. And then when I came to visit you years ago, I played Rome Total War. And even then, like there were moments where I was like, okay, I've conquered half of the known world. And I looked at time, it's only been an hour.
SPEAKER_00It's like, what how's this possible? Well, anyway, um, that brings us to the end of today's show. So I just want to thank everyone watching. Um, thank you very much for joining the live stream. And thank you, Stefano. And remember, ask your friends and family about the home lab and if they could actually use it if um you weren't available. And this video will go out um on this coming Wednesday. Um and to everyone who's watching it on the Wednesday, if you want to catch the live stream, we always go live on the first Saturday of every month.
SPEAKER_01At exactly nine o'clock central time.
SPEAKER_00At exactly nine o'clock central time, unless unless Shadow um escapes down the road and we're like ten minutes late. Um but yeah, we go out.
SPEAKER_01Nine o'clock central, ten ten o'clock Eastern. No, eight o'clock Eastern. I don't know what it is. You guys Google it, don't listen to me.
SPEAKER_00It it's um what time zone are you in, Stephano?
SPEAKER_01I'm in I'm in Central, so I'm an hour behind Eastern.
SPEAKER_00So it's definitely nine o'clock central, we know that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. We know that for sure.
SPEAKER_00And if you're in the UK, it's three PM in the UK. So anyway, thank you very much guys, and um we will catch you later.
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